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you're in the paracast the gold standard

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of paranormal radio

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and now

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well chris o'brien is on the road again

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but he's gotten skype

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to work on his iphone so the reception's

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pretty decent isn't it chris i think so

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uh check one two one two can you hear me

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well

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that's a matter of speaking but yes you

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do seem to be coming in fairly decently

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yeah story you even though uh

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it's questionable you're not feeling it

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today huh yeah i woke up and i was in a

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cold sweat you know why are we talking

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about our illnesses this is because when

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okay so you're laughing don ecker tell

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us about your illnesses well uh as a

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matter of fact it's funny you should

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mention that

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yesterday i had a bout of going through

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hell because i had to drive from the san

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fernando valley down to west los angeles

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to go to the va hospital for an eye exam

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now

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if you're not familiar with the

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sunny southern part of california

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there is a little road called the

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405 and it has a actually an infamous

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interchange

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at the 101 the ventura highway and let

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me tell you what it is considered the

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world's greatest

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mouse trap you go that route and i've

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been in that part of southern california

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what would be in a normal city a normal

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environment maybe what a 10-minute trip

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takes two hours yup yup and i was going

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to tell you on the way back my wife and

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i vicki and i got back home in 25

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minutes because there was no traffic on

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the other side of the highway but

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getting down there was an hour and a

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half of stop and go so if uh you're back

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there in the midwest somewhere and

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you're complaining about traffic well

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let me tell you what you don't have too

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many complaints until you come to the

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405. yeah he described it as a little

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old road that's about the biggest

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highway it's about eight ten lanes and

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i've i've seen it backed up

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like a parking lot at one o'clock in the

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morning oh yeah oh yeah that's our

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california for you buddy

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so how you guys been well i was reading

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an article

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from one of your fellow curmudgeons don

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ecker

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and that of course is kevin randall oh

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yes i think that we put the two of you

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in one room we will have a more

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cumulative behavior if that's a word

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than possibly exists anywhere he has a

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on his site a different perspective

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entitled the decline and fall of ufology

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now the only thing i have to say before

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we go into this article i think you'll

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be interested on is that this is a

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situation that has existed every single

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year since there was something called

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ufology it has been declining

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it has fallen

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and i think his latest rant is about

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kingman the alleged kingman

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arizona ufo crash right right which i

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don't know how many people you see the

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thing about that jane and chris and and

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it's pretty simple all right if you look

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at it you know as a whole but the

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problem is we're talking about something

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that happened

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70 years ago and why are we talking

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about that today we're talking about

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that today because of several reasons

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number one the lack of in-depth research

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where people are going out into the

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field are going to places where alleged

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doing basic 101 forensic science on a

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ufo sighting is just gone it's

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evaporated it is no more

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so what has replaced that guys and you

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know when i left active ufo research

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2006 2007 i wrote a paper called my 20

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years in the ufo fog and that was one of

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the main points

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that i spoke about which today research

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consists of somebody that has a

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fleeting interest in it maybe

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they hang up a shield they tell

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everybody they're a ufo researcher they

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sit in mom's basement with their laptop

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computer they skype with their friends

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they research on the web and of course

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we all know everything on the web is

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real they draw their conclusions from

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that you know back in 2006 seven when i

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wrote that paper

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we had just we when i say we i'm talking

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about my wife who was the founder and

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publisher of ufo magazine had just left

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the magazine it was taken over by the

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burns bill and nancy burns and the

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bottom line of that was there was a a

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falling out of sorts because

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magazine that previously i or vicki

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would just simply not have tolerated and

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it became very apparent because some of

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things like the infamous and i might add

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totally totally discredited

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dolce bass shootout between

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special forces of the united states

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armed forces and grey aliens down in a

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secret underground cavern

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in dulce new mexico now now let me tell

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you before you go on don that very

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concept wouldn't make it

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as a sci-fi channel saturday evening

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movie wouldn't go no it wouldn't and and

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that is over all what we have we as a i

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even hesitate to say it but a research

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community have devolved into

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recently a month or so ago

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i was asked to

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be a guest on a new radio show

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hosted by none other than richard

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hoagland dick hoagland of the face on

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mars fame hoagland now is doing a show

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immediately following art bell he

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basically wanted to talk to me about

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my years in in the ufo field my research

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my the papers the things that i've

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written and so forth well at the end of

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the program he asked me if i would be

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willing to come back the next night

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and i said well why why what's going on

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well i'm having a round paper table

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panel and i'd like to have you on he

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said brant cameron is going to be here

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well that's a rather unusual mix but

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okay sure i'll i'll stay up again

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and do it

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and uh the theme of this show

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are you ready for this it's actually

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and what may or may not have had to do

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with god only knows what

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you know i was thinking before you

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mention hillary clinton's email servers

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why we have a show on jeb bush's email

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and maybe have a show on colin powell's

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email server

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and maybe have another show on the

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republican party's email server during

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ii as they call it where millions of

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messages disappeared so i guess if we're

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gonna have crazy nonsense let's have

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crazy nonsense shall we okay my point

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basic attitude was and is look with all

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the terrible things going on today in

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today's world and i mean i don't even

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need to start a litany of of what all

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that entails and involves but with all

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of that do you really in your heart of

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ufo disclosure is even at the bottom of

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that list now i got to give stephen

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of a discussion when it comes to things

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like ufos but the bottom line is it just

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i'll tell you what what what's going to

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happen right now is we have to do our

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but i do want to tell listeners to check

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plus plus.powercast.com

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i'll tell you more in a moment

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don ecker is telling us about this

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encounter

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about a radio show and about disclosure

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with gene and chris you're in the

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paracast

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so here's what happened i was placing an

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order online the site went down it took

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hours before it returned but i'd already

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placed the order with another company if

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your site goes down you could lose

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business and if you have a business or

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personal site you want to know it's easy

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to run and it will stay online at iweb

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your site is hosted on one of the most

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reliable networks in the world talk to a

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was a critically acclaimed success and

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now there is the coming of the

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protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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her distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth this is gripping

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science fiction of the classic kind

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attack of the rockoids and the coming of

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the protectors find out more at

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his athletes by isolating and supporting

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the sacrum which is the keystone of our

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starts simply relax 20 minutes daily on

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so disclosure is one of those things

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that i i think i can say is simply a wet

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dream

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in the minds of many ufologists that

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have not really taken the time to sit

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down and take an in-depth look at what

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has been going on now i am getting ready

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to interview for my show dark matters

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radio which incidentally is carried on

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cyber station usa

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an author of a brand new book called

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silver screen saucers a brit by the name

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of robbie graham as a matter of fact i

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was interviewed for the book on a rather

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murky

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legendary

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incident that happened in the ufo field

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back in

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1995 that basically i hosted and that

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was a two-week sojourn that i took for

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disney the walt disney company down in

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orlando florida now at that time disney

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had put together a brand new attraction

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in their orlando park called the extra

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terror

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estriol

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attraction and it was about as a matter

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of fact i i was there i never got a

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chance to see it because michael eisner

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would not let anybody go into this

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attraction

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but uh i was invited to come down and

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host

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a two-week

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symposium

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with what were then the top ufo research

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people in the united states they were to

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come in in two groups one for week one

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one for week two and in conjunction

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with that disney had hired a production

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team to come down and film a television

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show a television program hosted by

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robert urich of spencer for hire fame

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now uric was then a very well-known

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television personality the two-week

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symposium started now some of the people

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just to give you an idea of who i

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brought in were people like george knapp

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zachariah sitchin kevin randall donald

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schmidt dr barry taff tore darlene who's

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also better known as william bromley of

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the gods of eden fame clifford stone

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because of his then really stellar

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in-depth document finding service that

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he was carrying on jesse marcel jr russ

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estes the founder of ufo magazine vicki

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my wife it was a stellar lineup the

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shocking thing was

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and i never once was able to reconcile

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this in my mind the highest attended day

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in both weeks we may have had 10 or 12

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people show up now with a lineup like

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that and you think back to that time

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period of the cases

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that were then ongoing on american tv

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guys

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week in and week out you could not turn

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on the television and not find a show

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with a ufo

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alien sighting type of thing tie in

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anywhere on any of the networks it was

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wall-to-wall ufos

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so i was at a loss to explain why as a

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matter of fact one of the attendees bud

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hopkins whom i had brought in because

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bud was the

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guy to go to with abduction research and

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abduction stories just up in the middle

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of the week and left he was so upset

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that there was nobody there didn't even

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say goodbye to me which incidentally i i

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was kind of miffed at at the time but he

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just left and i kept thinking to myself

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why would this have happened well i

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never came to a conclusion so about a

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year ago when graham was in the process

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of finishing up this book he got in

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touch with me

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uh hey don he said i'd like to talk to

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you about this disney thing i said sure

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so i sent him some photographs which

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are included in the book

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and some other things and he interviewed

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me about this story and it never became

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clear to me until the book came out his

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conclusions were spot on what what were

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they well back in 1995 okay during that

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period of time the internet as we know

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it today was

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non-existent email was spotty to say the

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least i mean we're talking over 20

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years ago it had not yet matured to what

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we are used to today and take for

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granted quite frankly so the bottom line

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was

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how else would the powers that be

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get a pulse

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on the ufo field to bring all these

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people into

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one spot just listen to them as to what

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they had to say

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i am now convinced that that was

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an intelligence

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manipulation to find out what the pulse

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was on american ufo research in 1995.

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now a lot of people may think that's a

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little paranoid but the bottom line is

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this book details

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60 plus years of intelligence and the

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military's grubby little fingers into

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this quote-unquote non-existent field

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there's nothing to ufos there's no

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national security considerations and if

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you believe that i've got some prime

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bottom land in florida and a bridge in

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brooklyn i'll be willing to sell you

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well you know what the way

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values have grown in brooklyn

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i mean it's crazy

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i was even looking at the place one of

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the places where i lived

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on newport street

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in brooklyn new york and it's a four

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four family house

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and it looked in pristine condition i'm

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kind of thinking you know

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so maybe that bridge would be something

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to sell

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but seriously speaking here the ufo

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subject as we say in terms of the field

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is going to hell in a hand basket as we

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keep saying on the show but we're still

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here so something is going on and

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there's enough serious work going on

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that despite all our feelings about

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these things despite our feelings when

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we run into something like the

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as kevin randle calls it the not roswell

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slides it doesn't go away it just never

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goes away obviously there are still

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enough sightings and what have you that

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come to the forefront and there are

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still a lot of people that are

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interested that would like to get to the

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bottom of of what this mystery is we'll

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get to the bottom of what this mystery

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is

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possibly in the next segment with don

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600
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601
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602
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603
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604
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605
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606
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the doctors you visit and the family you

607
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want to protect

608
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look i've made predictions like this

609
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before thing is i was right then too

610
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a few years ago i warned that housing

611
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prices would collapse they did before

612
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that i warned that dot-com companies

613
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would crash

614
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they did

615
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those who listened had a chance to save

616
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themselves but this has nothing to do

617
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with the stock market this will affect

618
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us all you can watch the video for free

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632
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author of the poor man's paranormal and

633
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you're listening to the paracast the

634
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:14,770
gold standard of paranormal radio

635
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,269
chris o'brien is on the road this week

636
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,159
he's using skype on his iphone

637
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,840
and unlike the normal cellular

638
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,760
connection where he's lost in digital

639
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:30,720
haze

640
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,960
chris right sounds pretty good to me

641
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,679
i've got you uh plugged into clifford's

642
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,080
audio system in his truck so it sounds

643
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,320
like i'm listening to uh talk radio it's

644
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,840
great the other thing is you're coming

645
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,360
in a bit low if you can figure a way to

646
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,279
turn up that volume that'll be fine i'll

647
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,960
just speak a little closer to the phone

648
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,360
how's that that works that works so he's

649
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:53,840
in a truck right now he is indeed we're

650
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,480
just leaving flagstaff on our way to the

651
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,320
confluence of the little colorado river

652
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:00,480
and the colorado river looking for the

653
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:03,760
fabled back door to the underground city

654
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:06,159
that the pueblo people say they they go

655
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,120
into

656
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:09,200
this city underground and are cared for

657
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,640
during earth changes

658
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:13,200
until it's safe to re-emerge through

659
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,399
this

660
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,399
uh or

661
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,559
and then repopulate the continents in

662
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:21,200
1909 of course as we've discussed on the

663
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,320
show

664
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,320
a prospector claimed he found the back

665
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:26,320
door to the underground city

666
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,279
and

667
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,440
we're combining the research of several

668
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,240
individuals including jack andrews

669
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:34,720
our good friend friend of the show

670
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:37,760
gary davids and david hatcher childress

671
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,399
and we've got a crack professional drone

672
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,640
pilot and we're going to map the section

673
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,960
of marble canyon where we believe the

674
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,320
entrance is and if it's there we're

675
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,320
going to find it so for the next couple

676
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:49,440
of days we're going to be doing a

677
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,000
meticulous mapping with a super

678
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,320
top-of-the-line drone that has a camera

679
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:56,960
that's four times the resolution of high

680
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,679
def so boy if if it's there i have a

681
00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:01,039
real strong feeling we're going to find

682
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,919
it so

683
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,679
wish us luck

684
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,200
it's going to be perfect weather 70

685
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:06,720
degrees during the day

686
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:09,279
low 40s at night and uh

687
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:12,559
of course i'm shooting video as well so

688
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,039
this may be our first video up on the

689
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:17,120
pericast plus video channel well that's

690
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,640
right we should have to mention that we

691
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:20,960
have been planning to do a video channel

692
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,760
but just turning out videos and having

693
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,640
them be good or even offering a sampler

694
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,720
takes a little bit of time yeah it

695
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:30,960
doesn't go together quite as quickly as

696
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,600
a radio show no the other thing i think

697
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:35,520
about it every time that you talk about

698
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,399
this

699
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,559
hidden city and about

700
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,880
a civilization moving into a place like

701
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,440
that during times of

702
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,840
trouble shall we say i think of derozan

703
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,120
terrors

704
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,720
it's hard not to

705
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,480
in the course of your research when

706
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:52,080
running around the mysterious valley and

707
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,279
everything did you run across legends of

708
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,919
strange races and caverns

709
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,760
well the indians say the pueblo indians

710
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:02,080
have a tradition of the ant people who

711
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:03,520
are actually the custodians of the

712
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,960
underground city and they care for the

713
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:05,919
people

714
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,720
when they're below ground and according

715
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:10,240
to the

716
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,720
alleged claim by the prospector kincaid

717
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:17,520
they estimated that this complex could

718
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:20,559
hold between 50 and 60 000 people

719
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,440
so it's like the original

720
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,039
continuation of government or cog

721
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,960
facility

722
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,039
and uh grandfather martin of the hopi

723
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,960
said you know it's going to be all the

724
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,480
you know the good people but we're going

725
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,480
to have to bring some bad people too

726
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,080
because they have the knowledge that we

727
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,720
need to bring out into the fifth world

728
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:40,880
so even some shady characters are going

729
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:43,520
to be included in the uh the gang that's

730
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,240
taken down below as the story goes and

731
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,080
of course this is all

732
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:50,399
this is all subject to uh interpretation

733
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,279
but

734
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,600
again if there is a backdoor and some

735
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,600
sort of infrastructure that was left

736
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,840
behind concrete pads that sort of thing

737
00:31:02,549 --> 00:30:59,840
i think we have a really good chance of

738
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,559
locating it well boy chris i hope i make

739
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,440
the cut because i'd love to see that

740
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,600
yeah yeah well you know we've heard

741
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,159
rumors since we were out there in 2012

742
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:12,799
right above this spot

743
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:15,919
is where a proposed navajo casino

744
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:16,799
uh

745
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,600
is

746
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,440
could there's a chance that they could

747
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:20,720
uh actually

748
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:21,520
uh

749
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,480
you know

750
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,760
cut through all the red tape with the

751
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:25,200
pueblo people and

752
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,520
you know it's a navajo it's navajo

753
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:29,200
politically controlled by the navajo but

754
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,279
it's a pueblo people's uh sacred site so

755
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,720
you know it's going to be really if they

756
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,640
do go ahead with the construction of the

757
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,320
casino

758
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,000
it's going to you know we might have a

759
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,320
range war going on out here because the

760
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:44,240
pueblo people are just absolutely up in

761
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,440
arms

762
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:48,559
almost literally uh against it so you

763
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:50,960
know we're we're hoping that uh rumors

764
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:53,600
that i've heard about security personnel

765
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,399
and new roads and and things um

766
00:32:02,549 --> 00:31:58,799
have been you know put in in place out

767
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,559
there since 2012 when we were here and

768
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,559
we're going to find out within a couple

769
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,480
three hours we're going to find out one

770
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:08,480
thing we do have operating in our favor

771
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,600
is clifford mahouty has uh the right as

772
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,000
a pueblo person to get permission to go

773
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,799
out there you do have to gain uh you

774
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:19,039
have to have a permit to go out to the

775
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,640
area and uh because clifford is a zuni

776
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,399
he has every right to ask to go out

777
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,880
there to do ceremony so

778
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,279
he's kind of our our ticket in

779
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:30,559
you know they might tell a bunch of

780
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:33,279
white boys no sorry uh it's closed we

781
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,960
can't let anybody in today or whatever

782
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,480
they can make up any excuse they want

783
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,880
but with clifford uh along

784
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,399
it's uh going to be difficult for them

785
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,799
to say no so we're we're trying to keep

786
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:44,880
all our bases covered and of course i'll

787
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,919
have an update next week uh once we get

788
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,039
back we're

789
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,519
we're looking forward to uh to

790
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,440
some pretty exciting stuff so the

791
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:56,000
weather's perfect uh we got the tools we

792
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,679
got the talent

793
00:33:01,350 --> 00:33:00,240
sounds a little bit like ghostbusters

794
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:01,360
indeed

795
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:02,799
ernie hudson

796
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:05,279
yep this is line didn't have much of a

797
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,399
career

798
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:08,799
after ghostbusters but that's let's get

799
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:12,080
back to the world of ufos here so chris

800
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:13,840
is going somewhere and if he doesn't

801
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,000
return next week

802
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,399
we know why don eckert

803
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,679
all right

804
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,760
since you mentioned that richard

805
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,600
hoagland's doing a show

806
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:25,840
after art bells on a network that has

807
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,799
the same name as your show and i'm not

808
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,559
going to get into that right now

809
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,640
we're hearing more things about martian

810
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,799
mysteries in light of the discovery of

811
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:36,720
flowing water or the revelation of

812
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:39,519
flowing water on mars

813
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:40,880
by nasa

814
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,919
is that a step to something or just well

815
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:45,760
that's what it is

816
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:49,360
uh my personal opinion on that and you

817
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:53,039
know me gene i i never try to couch what

818
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:54,559
i'm thinking

819
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,480
is just complete crapiola okay

820
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:00,559
now why do i say that well it's real

821
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:04,320
simple back in 2004

822
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,240
when i began the first incarnation of

823
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:10,320
dark matters radio

824
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:14,000
okay that was before anybody had

825
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:18,639
capped the the title of my show

826
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:22,480
we began broadcasting uh on a satellite

827
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,000
radio network and uh we

828
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:28,800
myself and dwight schultz

829
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now dwight

830
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lived about a block away from uh

831
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a neighbor of his a friend of his who

832
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happened to be a scientist to jpl

833
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okay

834
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and this guy who shall remain nameless

835
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because i certainly don't want to put

836
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any heat on them but

837
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this guy

838
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knew about dwight's interest in the ufo

839
00:35:02,550 --> 00:34:58,880
topic he knew that dwight had co-hosted

840
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,560
with me on my very first radio show ufos

841
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tonight

842
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back in the early 90s and uh

843
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he was actually one of those people

844
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privately who was willing to discuss the

845
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merits and and the non-merits of ufo

846
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research that was going on then and he

847
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told

848
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dwight in a private conversation

849
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:26,960
that schultz relayed to me was that at

850
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,160
that time they had already discovered

851
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water on mars

852
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now everybody knew about the snowpacks

853
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up on the on the poles of mars

854
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but they were aware of free-flowing

855
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water

856
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and at that time

857
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i expected almost weekly that jpl would

858
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announce that they never

859
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did

860
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,119
and why they never announced it never

861
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made sense to me kind of like the disney

862
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people why would you bring in

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around 20 of the top people in their

864
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respective fields which happened to be

865
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ufo research and not promoted well nasa

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was continuously being sliced and diced

867
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by congress

868
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having funds taken away from them and an

869
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announcement like that free flowing

870
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water on mars could have only helped

871
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them okay

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in securing more government money for

873
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further research let's do our break

874
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there and then continue about

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free-flowing water on mars

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and the implications we have don ecker

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dark matters radio show the one the

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981
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so don ecker let's continue that

982
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:23,040
discussion here

983
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,240
okay so you didn't hear as you expected

984
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:28,480
regular revelations about the situation

985
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:31,680
on mars so how do we frame that that for

986
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whatever reason okay for whatever reason

987
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jpl simply

988
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felt that it was not in their interest

989
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990
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relay the fact that they were aware of

991
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water on mars now i could sit here and

992
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speculate from now until all the cows

993
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,000
come home about why that is i have no

994
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idea as a matter of fact uh factually i

995
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have no idea but they've been sitting on

996
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that

997
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:06,240
in excess of 10 years now suddenly

998
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we get

999
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this announcement that water has been

1000
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discovered

1001
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on mars well you know for as far as i am

1002
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and my audience i've talked about this

1003
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:21,520
a number of times my audience is aware

1004
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of of this story about jpl and uh their

1005
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discovery of water on mars over 10 years

1006
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,880
ago now

1007
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a friend of mine

1008
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dr john brandenburg who is a plasma

1009
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physicist

1010
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he's been on the power cast right a real

1011
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,160
honest to pete rocket scientist

1012
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:44,480
he and i have talked about this and of

1013
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course brandenburg has a really in-depth

1014
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:51,440
curiosity about mars has written a

1015
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number of books on mars as a matter of

1016
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fact he believes he discovered an atomic

1017
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artificial i might add an artificial

1018
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atomic

1019
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,680
detonation on mars somebody nuked mars

1020
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,839
at some time in the past

1021
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,720
and he wrote a book on this we were

1022
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:15,440
talking about jpl

1023
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:18,480
and we were talking about not only jpl

1024
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,839
but nasa

1025
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,440
in houston

1026
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,400
now according to brandenburg there has

1027
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,720
been a schism

1028
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between

1029
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,200
jpl and houston for a long time

1030
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,440
and the schism is

1031
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:35,520
pretty simple actually

1032
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,680
jpl is firmly in the camp of sending

1033
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robotic explorers

1034
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to mars

1035
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,160
okay

1036
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:47,280
we want to explore mars but we want to

1037
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:50,880
just do it with robots okay like is

1038
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,200
there right now as a matter of fact

1039
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,079
houston on the other hand ultimately

1040
00:44:02,710 --> 00:43:58,960
wants to send astronauts

1041
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:02,720
there lie the problem who gets the money

1042
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,599
to do what and boy i'll tell you it's

1043
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,400
been hammering tongs and knives and meat

1044
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:10,079
cleavers according to brandenburg

1045
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,040
between these two factions so

1046
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,280
what ultimately develops out of it is

1047
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,200
anybody's guess

1048
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:19,599
how far can we take this now just

1049
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,760
because you have

1050
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,680
some water flowing on mars it doesn't

1051
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:25,839
mean you can go there and have

1052
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:26,960
a drink

1053
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,760
have a little water to wet your whistle

1054
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,680
it doesn't mean you can grow potatoes on

1055
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:34,160
mars which matt damon is doing in this

1056
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:37,440
movie the martian why not why not

1057
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:40,880
look if we have the ability and the

1058
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technology to get to mars

1059
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and mars has

1060
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free-flowing water available

1061
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,520
sure we can treat it

1062
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,119
and drink it

1063
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:55,680
this water could be

1064
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,880
treated to turn it into rocket fuel okay

1065
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,960
that's the point it can be treated just

1066
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,560
the raw water right

1067
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,240
i agree with you in fact the water where

1068
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,400
i live has to be treated because you

1069
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,079
can't drink this water

1070
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,079
so you're saying here of course yeah we

1071
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,319
can take the raw ingredients

1072
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,000
and do things with it

1073
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,000
and create a livable environment the

1074
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,000
same thing with the moon okay there's

1075
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:20,960
ice on the moon my god gene they

1076
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:23,680
discovered ice on the planet mercury

1077
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:26,480
which is right next to the sun right

1078
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,119
exactly what's telling me here

1079
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,760
is that if other conditions are right

1080
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:33,200
you're going to find some kind of life

1081
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,000
almost everywhere exactly and that's

1082
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,480
been that's been the new paradigm for a

1083
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,560
long time as a matter of fact not too

1084
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,400
awfully long ago

1085
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:44,960
a nasa spokesperson said well we're

1086
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:48,000
going to discover life in the next oh 10

1087
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,440
to 20 years of course they've been

1088
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:51,119
saying that forever

1089
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,880
but what kind of life were they talking

1090
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:55,280
about were they talking about sentient

1091
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,400
life

1092
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,319
or were they talking about some other

1093
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:01,680
kind of life well i i'm pretty sure

1094
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,040
about 99 they were talking about finding

1095
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:06,560
things like

1096
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:09,200
lichens like bacteria

1097
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:10,079
uh

1098
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:13,920
that type of life not the type of life

1099
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:16,720
that we are most curious about it's the

1100
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:19,680
law of diminished expectations

1101
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,240
yeah you could certainly say that but

1102
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:25,040
life is life okay

1103
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,480
life is life and that would truly be

1104
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,319
currently

1105
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,200
one of the greatest discoveries

1106
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,599
that we've had in the last several

1107
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,200
centuries now

1108
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:40,079
is there anything currently

1109
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,520
currently

1110
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:43,680
that would suggest

1111
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:47,760
life is out in the cosmos well sure

1112
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:50,960
a few years ago and as a matter of fact

1113
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,560
uh on one of my appearances on the

1114
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,839
paracast i talked about this

1115
00:47:03,270 --> 00:46:59,359
brandenburg

1116
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:03,280
put me onto a story about

1117
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:06,400
a meteorite that had crashed that had

1118
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,400
some type of organic material in it

1119
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,720
and at the time it created quite a

1120
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:14,160
brouha

1121
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:18,720
the bruja was that the white house

1122
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,680
okay

1123
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:21,680
the administration not the obama

1124
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,800
administration if memory serves i

1125
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,400
believe it was the clinton

1126
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:27,920
administration

1127
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,000
crunch

1128
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:34,160
that announcement

1129
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:35,440
and

1130
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:39,119
i tried to get in touch with a scientist

1131
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,400
that

1132
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:41,920
discovered this

1133
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,839
and who was squashed who worked at nasa

1134
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:47,440
by the way

1135
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,000
and uh the guy was not willing to go on

1136
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:53,280
the record he feared retribution if he

1137
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:54,480
did

1138
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,720
so sure we have known in some quarters

1139
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:00,319
of officialdom

1140
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,680
for a very

1141
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:03,599
very long time

1142
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:06,480
that there is organic life out there at

1143
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:10,319
the least okay at the least there is

1144
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:12,880
organic life now i

1145
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,280
and maybe you can take a look at this

1146
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:16,960
and and uh

1147
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:20,000
kick some ideas my way i just can't

1148
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,359
understand

1149
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,119
the reticence

1150
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,839
that official dumb

1151
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:27,680
official dumb

1152
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,040
all right in nasa in the government the

1153
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,000
military the intelligence why they

1154
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:36,559
are so scared to death

1155
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,280
of making these types of announcements i

1156
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,079
just don't understand it well i kind of

1157
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,319
think just to throw an idea

1158
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:47,760
into the pot here that we're hearing

1159
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,160
an announcement that is on maybe one

1160
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:52,000
level of the information they have we're

1161
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:53,839
getting the basics

1162
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,640
and it's all part of gradually

1163
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:59,280
acquainting us to the fact that life is

1164
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,839
plentiful in the universe and that some

1165
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,319
of that life may be intelligent but it

1166
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,400
takes baby steps it's all coming in baby

1167
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,079
steps

1168
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:09,760
and that's what this is this is a baby

1169
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:12,400
step that may be that in mars that's all

1170
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,599
you get

1171
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,240
i do microbial i just watched on the

1172
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:18,720
science channel uh

1173
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:22,240
or no maybe it was the ahc channel

1174
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:23,440
yeah so

1175
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:27,920
this this special involved galaxies now

1176
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:29,920
most people when they talk about the

1177
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:31,520
cosmos

1178
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:34,720
really don't take into

1179
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:38,880
consideration what a galaxy is

1180
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:39,920
and

1181
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,280
how vast it is for example our galaxy

1182
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:45,280
the milky way

1183
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:49,200
is from end to end over a hundred

1184
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:52,640
thousand light years in length

1185
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:53,599
all right

1186
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:57,760
that encompasses billions upon billions

1187
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,359
of stars many billions of stars

1188
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,160
and many of those have planetary systems

1189
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:06,960
so you know mathematically just looking

1190
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,000
at our own galaxy the chances of

1191
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:13,119
intelligent life out there is

1192
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:14,400
vast

1193
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,599
now

1194
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,240
this however this show

1195
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,240
was talking about

1196
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:22,000
the universe

1197
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:27,680
and the

1198
00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:31,280
roots that galaxies travel

1199
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:34,440
and they showed a graph gene that was

1200
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:37,040
mind-boggling in its scope

1201
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:38,960
where literally

1202
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:41,760
millions of galaxies

1203
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,920
were flowing down this one route to

1204
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:47,440
basically

1205
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,200
what was a traffic jam of galaxies now

1206
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:53,280
the the scale we're talking about

1207
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,400
billions

1208
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:56,160
of light years

1209
00:51:03,510 --> 00:50:59,760
so it's beyond human comprehension

1210
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,520
but when you consider how many galaxies

1211
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,000
we are aware of currently

1212
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,880
which is many hundreds of billions of

1213
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:10,240
galaxies

1214
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:13,680
i mean it's just simply human you breeze

1215
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,119
if we think we are the only life forms

1216
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,599
in the cosmos it's stupid

1217
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:21,680
before we get on with that

1218
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:23,440
we've got don eckert joining us from

1219
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:25,920
dark matters radio with gina and chris

1220
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:28,650
you're in

1221
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:39,440
[Music]

1222
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:40,559
[Applause]

1223
00:51:45,309 --> 00:51:44,000
thank you for listening to gcn

1224
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1225
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1226
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1227
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1228
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1229
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1230
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1231
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:02,480
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1232
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1233
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,000
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1234
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1235
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1236
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1237
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1238
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1252
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1253
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1279
00:54:03,430 --> 00:53:59,839
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1280
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:03,440
standard of paranormal radio

1281
00:54:08,060 --> 00:54:04,720
and now

1282
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:08,070
here's gene steinberg

1283
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:12,790
okay

1284
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:15,760
chris is on the road in a truck on skype

1285
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,079
on his iphone which is better than just

1286
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,880
using a regular cellular network we have

1287
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,640
don ecker of dark matters radio before

1288
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,880
we go on with the life in the universe

1289
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,920
thing

1290
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,520
the show you're doing has been somewhat

1291
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:29,680
erratic of late what's going on with

1292
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:31,119
your network

1293
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:35,119
the bottom line was that the carrier of

1294
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,839
the signal okay back in uh july the

1295
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:42,000
bottom line was

1296
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:43,839
they basically

1297
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,000
changed up how they were doing business

1298
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:50,400
and when they did that they didn't

1299
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,760
bother to notify the network oh that's

1300
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:54,640
nice

1301
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,000
yeah really and suddenly okay the

1302
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:01,200
network was not able to connect onto

1303
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:02,800
them then

1304
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,319
they got hit with a bill that was six

1305
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:08,559
times literally

1306
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:11,200
six times what they had been paying

1307
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,480
monthly

1308
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:14,960
for what apparently was reduced service

1309
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:16,800
so they had to find somebody else they

1310
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:19,920
just couldn't continue on in that vein

1311
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,839
and when they were finally ready to come

1312
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,240
back my computer

1313
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,040
which i do the show out of took a hiccup

1314
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,520
and there was no rhyme or reason to that

1315
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,839
you know my wife jokingly said well the

1316
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:33,520
secret government came in and did

1317
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:34,559
something

1318
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,640
well i worked on it literally for weeks

1319
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:41,200
and could not figure out my my

1320
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:42,640
microphone

1321
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:45,520
was not being recognized by the computer

1322
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:46,960
my system

1323
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,160
was not recognizing the mackie board

1324
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:53,040
there was a problem with my uh audio

1325
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,079
card

1326
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:56,319
and i had a good close friend of mine

1327
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,480
come out who's a real computer guru

1328
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,000
worked on it

1329
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,640
he had to make several trips out here a

1330
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,280
three hour drive one way

1331
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,760
i mean this was really above and beyond

1332
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,359
on his part

1333
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,920
and we finally discovered that my

1334
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:13,520
software

1335
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:17,200
for my audio card had flipped a switch

1336
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,240
and it was virtually impossible

1337
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:22,960
unless you flipped every switch and

1338
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,440
tested everything now this is a software

1339
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:26,880
switch we're not talking about a

1340
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,680
hardware jumper or something exactly a

1341
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:31,680
software source okay well anything can

1342
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:33,920
happen with computers all right so

1343
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,160
you finally got that fixed yeah we're

1344
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,079
we're back on the air now and the

1345
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,240
network has it together with their

1346
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,079
backbone provider well that's good

1347
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,640
that's good because we need that and we

1348
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,319
need to keep the

1349
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,960
solid responsible voices going in this

1350
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:50,480
field because you see what a mess is

1351
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:51,839
let's go back to

1352
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,240
mars and life in the universe so i was

1353
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,559
saying to kind of cut to the chase here

1354
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:58,559
that this information about

1355
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:59,520
water

1356
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,040
on other worlds

1357
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,920
it's a baby step a very tiny baby step

1358
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,520
towards revealing

1359
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:07,440
it's a lot more than that now i would

1360
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:10,000
think on mars for example

1361
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,000
if a civilization arose there they would

1362
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:14,160
simply go underground

1363
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:15,680
chasing the

1364
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,079
natural resources such as they were if

1365
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:20,640
such a thing existed well gene here's

1366
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:23,040
the thing once again we're talking about

1367
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:24,799
human eubrees

1368
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:25,680
our

1369
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:30,640
barely

1370
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,040
even into its infancy okay we officially

1371
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:38,480
only recognize approximately

1372
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:39,359
6

1373
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:40,480
000

1374
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:41,680
years

1375
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,240
of human civilization now

1376
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:45,839
granted there have been some

1377
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:48,559
archaeological discoveries in recent

1378
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,280
years and i'm talking about the last

1379
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:52,880
decade or two

1380
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:56,079
that show that oh yeah oh yeah boy oh

1381
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:59,760
boy there were humans around a long time

1382
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:02,240
uh i'm talking about that archaeological

1383
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,680
site in

1384
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:04,720
turkey

1385
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,400
i'm talking about cities ancient cities

1386
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:10,240
like jericho

1387
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,760
okay who are mentioned in the bible that

1388
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:15,520
go back

1389
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:18,480
9000 bc

1390
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,520
all right which is 3 000 years

1391
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:24,240
before the arise of the civilization and

1392
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:25,440
sooner

1393
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,240
now

1394
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,960
sure there was a lot going on that we

1395
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,040
have no clue about but when you're

1396
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:33,839
talking about another planet especially

1397
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:34,960
one

1398
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:37,200
that we have never

1399
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:38,240
stepped

1400
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:41,760
down on boots on the ground so to speak

1401
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:44,319
it's hard to say what may have been

1402
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,119
there in the past now

1403
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:49,520
what kind of past are we talking about

1404
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,200
our star our solar system

1405
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:55,520
is 5

1406
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:56,480
billion

1407
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,599
years

1408
00:59:02,829 --> 00:59:00,240
old approximately earth

1409
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:02,839
has been here not in its present form of

1410
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,839
course but earth got started roughly

1411
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:07,520
four and a half

1412
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:08,480
billion

1413
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:10,079
years ago

1414
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:13,440
what may have been going on on this

1415
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,280
planet

1416
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:18,480
a hundred thousand years which is an eye

1417
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:19,680
blink or

1418
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:21,599
barely an eye blink

1419
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:24,640
is beyond the pale we have no idea and

1420
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,599
if something was here personally i think

1421
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:29,839
it's highly possible

1422
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:33,200
then there would be very very little

1423
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,319
left to discover although

1424
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,000
as we all know that have been paying

1425
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:40,559
attention to this field for any length

1426
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:41,839
of time

1427
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:44,960
there have been those oddities those who

1428
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:47,839
parts that have been discovered in the

1429
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:50,799
past that have absolutely

1430
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,040
uh no genesis to go back to things like

1431
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:57,599
what appear to be a spark plug

1432
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,640
embedded in a geode

1433
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:02,880
things like uh

1434
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:07,119
the book by michael cremo and others who

1435
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,319
have documented discoveries that go back

1436
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:11,760
literally

1437
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:14,960
millions of years that are just

1438
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,079
inconvenient facts that science

1439
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,240
shuffles to the side

1440
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,160
so the bottom line is

1441
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:25,200
we are genuinely as graeme hancock once

1442
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:29,599
famously observed we are a people with a

1443
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:30,319
a

1444
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:35,119
been going on

1445
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,319
even 20 000 years ago i personally think

1446
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:41,119
it's highly likely there was a high

1447
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:42,720
civilization

1448
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:45,280
around i mean we've had the myths of

1449
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:48,799
atlantis by plato going back several

1450
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:51,599
thousand years is it possible

1451
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:55,040
there was some high civilization i think

1452
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:57,760
it's likely gene so richard shaver was

1453
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,359
right or partly right anyway about for

1454
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,079
some reason due to a global catastrophe

1455
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:06,960
or something maybe an advanced race

1456
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:09,520
existed but maybe they went to caverns

1457
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:10,400
to

1458
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,079
stay alive maybe they're here now and

1459
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,240
that's what brings us ufos we talk about

1460
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:16,160
breakaway civilizations

1461
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:18,000
something happened

1462
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:21,920
here which is slowly being talked about

1463
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:25,119
about 12 or 14

1464
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:28,559
000 years ago something happened now why

1465
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:31,839
do i say that well at that time period

1466
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:35,200
okay half of what today is the united

1467
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:36,319
states

1468
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:39,520
was covered by an ice cap

1469
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,200
the end of the last ice age half of what

1470
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:45,119
today is the usa

1471
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:49,520
was covered by roughly a mile of ice

1472
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,520
and then within about a thousand years

1473
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:54,960
it was gone

1474
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:55,920
just

1475
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:57,119
gone

1476
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:00,400
whatever that thing was that happened

1477
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:02,960
and incidentally changed

1478
01:02:07,030 --> 01:02:04,799
the global climate

1479
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:07,040
of the entire planet

1480
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:10,079
including the middle east which had been

1481
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:11,200
uh

1482
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:13,760
pretty temperate then

1483
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,799
there are cities that dried up and blew

1484
01:02:21,030 --> 01:02:17,760
away

1485
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:21,040
practically overnight because they no

1486
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:24,240
longer received rainfalls and some of

1487
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:27,200
these are pretty famous areas over in

1488
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:28,480
the middle east

1489
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:31,520
i personally think it was an asteroid or

1490
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:34,799
cometary hit not of the size that took

1491
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:36,559
out the dinosaurs

1492
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:39,200
probably a heck of a lot smaller but

1493
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:40,880
something hit

1494
01:02:46,829 --> 01:02:42,480
caused the ice

1495
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:46,839
caps to melt the ice received the

1496
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:50,880
oceans rise approximately a hundred plus

1497
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:51,920
feet

1498
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,280
or more

1499
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,359
that would have washed away any

1500
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:58,000
civilization on the coastline

1501
01:03:01,430 --> 01:03:00,319
anywhere in the planet something

1502
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:01,440
happened

1503
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:04,000
and uh we just don't know what it was

1504
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:07,200
and and we do know however

1505
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:09,760
that at that time period

1506
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:11,760
in the united states what today is the

1507
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:14,960
united states the fauna that was running

1508
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:17,680
loose things like horses

1509
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:20,400
which we had here camels

1510
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,240
uh mastodons great woolly mammoths

1511
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uh saber-toothed cats

1512
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we're going to get

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a saber-toothed creature from the

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01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:16,159
keep that up my friend now what you're

1623
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:17,359
telling us here

1624
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:20,159
creates also the climate to ask this

1625
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:21,199
question

1626
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:23,440
if something took out our civilization

1627
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:24,480
tomorrow

1628
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:25,679
it's gone

1629
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,679
what would be left a thousand or five

1630
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:29,440
thousand or ten thousand years from now

1631
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,679
for space-faring travelers who'd come to

1632
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:33,279
earth and try to figure out what was

1633
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:36,799
going on well one thing that

1634
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:38,560
they would probably

1635
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,679
still be able to detect our nuclear

1636
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,199
reactors

1637
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:45,520
well at least something will last yes

1638
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:47,920
but if you look at at everything else

1639
01:08:52,590 --> 01:08:50,799
the cities would collapse

1640
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:52,600
and eventually

1641
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:55,359
decomposed because of the the ever

1642
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:58,080
changing weather weather patterns rain

1643
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,799
winds what have you would break down it

1644
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:02,400
would blow away

1645
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:04,880
metallic objects like automobiles

1646
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:07,279
eventually would rust away there would

1647
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:10,480
probably still be plastic around

1648
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:14,799
uh maybe some uh old mcdonald styrofoam

1649
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:16,960
uh you know cups and

1650
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:20,400
and that type of thing which uh you know

1651
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,000
have a half-life of what is it a

1652
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,960
gazillion years but most everything

1653
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:26,560
would just be gone

1654
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,239
jane as a result

1655
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:30,159
they may find

1656
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:30,960
if

1657
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:33,520
they care to look they may find some

1658
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:36,159
ancient ancient wrecks

1659
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,719
under water but for the most part there

1660
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:40,719
would be very little to see on the

1661
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:42,880
surface and that creates a very

1662
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:44,000
interesting

1663
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:45,440
question here

1664
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:46,880
and that is

1665
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:47,679
if

1666
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,520
most evidence of our advanced

1667
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,279
civilization or what we consider to be

1668
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:53,520
an advanced civilization will be gone

1669
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:55,840
due to some kind of catastrophe we can

1670
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:58,320
maybe suggest the same thing happened

1671
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:01,120
on mars the question here is

1672
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,800
and that gets back to hoagland it gets

1673
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:05,040
back to any of the martian mysteries

1674
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:07,280
are we seeing there or can we see there

1675
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:10,080
any evidence of a past or existing

1676
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:12,880
civilization on mars well there's there

1677
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:15,840
are people who would argue that we can

1678
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:17,920
and we have

1679
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:20,880
the infamous face on mars

1680
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:23,600
and there have been other

1681
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:26,719
photographs not quite as well known

1682
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:28,480
but there have been other things that

1683
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:31,600
have been discovered

1684
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,920
and there is a very active

1685
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:35,280
civilian

1686
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:38,560
research community you know scouring

1687
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,520
every photograph released by nasa

1688
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,360
that comes back

1689
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:46,000
and uh you know periodically on the web

1690
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,640
and

1691
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:48,640
of course gene if it's on the web it

1692
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,840
must be true right absolutely even if

1693
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,159
there are 12 versions of it exactly

1694
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,640
that's right so you know on the web

1695
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:58,480
you'll periodically see these

1696
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,800
photographs pop out you know and

1697
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:02,960
somebody will have a caption on it oh

1698
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:05,760
mystery woman discovered on mars

1699
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:08,560
you know or uh mystery creature

1700
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,840
discovered with with eight legs and 15

1701
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:13,440
tentacles and that kind of stuff you

1702
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:15,920
know which i just you know i if i see it

1703
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:17,360
i i

1704
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:20,719
just move along only 15 tentacles maybe

1705
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,120
because one was cut off yeah you have to

1706
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,199
think they'd be symmetrical an even

1707
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,360
number i'm holding out for the cave

1708
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,280
girls to be discovered on mars but

1709
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:31,280
that's that's just me

1710
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,120
but what was that movie that came out a

1711
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:35,679
long time ago earth girls are easy

1712
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:38,159
where extraterrestrials come here yeah

1713
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,280
tommy uh let me think who was that that

1714
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:43,679
actor famous disney i think a former

1715
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:44,800
disney

1716
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:46,960
actor was the alien here oh yeah back in

1717
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,000
the early 60s but you know mars has

1718
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:52,800
always held a fascination

1719
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:55,199
for especially folks here i mean we can

1720
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:57,840
go back to hg wells

1721
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:00,960
uh who wrote what is recognized today as

1722
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:03,679
one of the very first science fiction

1723
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:06,560
novels ever war of the worlds

1724
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,199
uh we've always had a fascination

1725
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,040
ancient people

1726
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:13,920
have always had a fascination with mars

1727
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:16,400
identifying it with the god of war and

1728
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:19,360
so forth so you know mars is one of

1729
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:22,560
those places that we owe it to ourselves

1730
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:24,960
to eventually get there

1731
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:28,239
with human beings not just robots now

1732
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,080
uh back in in 1988

1733
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,239
89

1734
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:36,960
when i had first met

1735
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:39,920
zacharias sitchin okay who was

1736
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:42,000
then in the process

1737
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:45,679
of writing a great series of books about

1738
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:47,840
ancient humankind

1739
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:52,480
and what may have been uh their uh

1740
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:55,120
dealings with an extraterrestrial

1741
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:56,560
presence

1742
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:59,600
uh he wrote a book titled genesis

1743
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:01,280
revisited now

1744
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,520
i i bought all of sichen's books and

1745
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:07,120
devoured them

1746
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,400
and i was fortunate enough we we met we

1747
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:12,480
developed a great friendship

1748
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:15,760
and i called him up when i read genesis

1749
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:18,239
revisited and i asked him because he had

1750
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:19,440
some very

1751
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,159
provocative things including

1752
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:24,719
a number of provocative photographs in

1753
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,000
that book

1754
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:28,719
that's how i was able to break the

1755
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:31,679
phobos 2 story

1756
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:32,960
russian

1757
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:36,239
then soviet probe with a nasa with

1758
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:39,840
several nasa scientific packages on it

1759
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:42,239
that was on its way to mars

1760
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:45,280
because at that time the united states

1761
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:47,920
and the soviet union were in tentative

1762
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:49,360
talks

1763
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:52,800
about putting together a joint mission

1764
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:55,920
to mars with soviet cosmonauts and

1765
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:58,000
american astronauts this is what they

1766
01:14:03,590 --> 01:13:59,440
were talking about

1767
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:03,600
and something happened to that probe

1768
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:04,800
all right

1769
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:07,199
and it was destroyed

1770
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:11,040
now the bottom line was before the probe

1771
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:12,400
disappeared

1772
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,320
it had photographed mars okay

1773
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:18,880
in all light spectrums that it was

1774
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:21,600
capable of including infrared

1775
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:25,760
and sichen put me on to the fact that

1776
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,760
the russian probe discovered on mars

1777
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:31,520
and it's something that today is never

1778
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:32,960
talked about

1779
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,920
but it discovered hot spots

1780
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:37,199
on mars

1781
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:39,679
now define hot spots

1782
01:14:44,270 --> 01:14:41,199
i will

1783
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,280
mars has been considered

1784
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,800
geologically dead

1785
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:48,719
forever okay

1786
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:52,239
it doesn't have any geological processes

1787
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:54,800
that are really detectable like we do

1788
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:58,000
here on earth for example we have an

1789
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:00,640
active core here on planet earth one of

1790
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:03,679
the things that that active core

1791
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:06,560
does is provide the planet with a

1792
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:08,719
magnetic field

1793
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:11,440
which protects us quite a bit from

1794
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:14,159
harmful solar radiation

1795
01:15:19,310 --> 01:15:15,920
mars doesn't have that

1796
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,320
so mars even though it has what is

1797
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:21,600
recognized as the

1798
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:24,800
greatest highest volcano

1799
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:26,960
in the solar system

1800
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:30,159
i believe it's olympic mons

1801
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:32,560
mars is dead

1802
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:36,560
but yet something was generating a heat

1803
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,840
signature

1804
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:39,280
on mars

1805
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:41,440
that was photographed by the phobos 2

1806
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:43,440
probe now i asked sitchin

1807
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:45,760
because i i had a feeling what he was

1808
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:47,280
going to tell me

1809
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,280
but i asked him i said well what

1810
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:51,679
zachariah could have caused that what

1811
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:54,640
might they have discovered and sitchin

1812
01:16:00,270 --> 01:15:58,080
told me in person it was his belief

1813
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:00,280
that an ancient

1814
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:03,040
space-faring civilization

1815
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:06,560
had returned to mars and set up some

1816
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:09,840
type of operation on the planet let's

1817
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:11,360
figure out more of this in our next

1818
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,320
segment

1819
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,920
an existing base

1820
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:15,920
on mars hmm

1821
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:18,320
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01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:00,150
listening to the peercast

1938
01:21:11,669 --> 01:21:09,600
[Music]

1939
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:11,679
oh yes one of the better ones out there

1940
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:12,719
you know there

1941
01:21:16,630 --> 01:21:15,440
is a hall of fame for power cast

1942
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:16,640
stingers

1943
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:18,560
don eker and you've joined the hall of

1944
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:19,760
fame

1945
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:23,120
oh great do i get a silver star

1946
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:24,560
um

1947
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:26,080
well you certainly deserve one for

1948
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,679
putting up with this field

1949
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:30,000
for all these years

1950
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:31,679
we'll figure out something we'll figure

1951
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:32,800
out something

1952
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:34,960
in any case let's get back to

1953
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,800
the possibilities of mars

1954
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:39,120
space faring civilization they set up a

1955
01:21:42,630 --> 01:21:40,239
base there

1956
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:42,640
but we send probes to mars are they

1957
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:44,000
hiding from us

1958
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:45,760
well how do we know

1959
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:48,080
and and this is once again the purest

1960
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:50,159
speculation how do we know that they

1961
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:51,600
haven't seen something and they're

1962
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:55,440
hiding that from us i mean we just don't

1963
01:22:00,189 --> 01:21:59,280
know because when you live in a society

1964
01:22:02,310 --> 01:22:00,199
which

1965
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:02,320
increasingly more

1966
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:04,400
daily is covered

1967
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,320
by secrecy

1968
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:08,320
we never really know what the real truth

1969
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:12,000
is now look back in that time period

1970
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:16,480
when phobos 2 reached mars in january of

1971
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:18,639
1989

1972
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:20,320
all right

1973
01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:23,360
and i i know i've said this before on

1974
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:26,480
not only the para cast but on my own

1975
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:29,840
show and other shows but

1976
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:32,960
in january of 1989

1977
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:36,560
phobos 2 made it to mars the russians

1978
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:39,120
had lost their first probe

1979
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:41,360
shortly after liftoff

1980
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:45,920
which was uh in july of uh 87

1981
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:48,719
and their first probe when it

1982
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:51,520
disappeared the russians blamed it on a

1983
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:52,800
series of

1984
01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:55,760
human operator error and computer error

1985
01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:58,880
but but the second probe made it there

1986
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:02,000
and it immediately started photographing

1987
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:06,000
not only mars but also the phobos moon

1988
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:08,000
because that was one of its

1989
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:10,560
primary objectives recall

1990
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:13,199
i said that the tentative

1991
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:17,920
idea was to send a joint mission to mars

1992
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:20,560
by the americans and the russians

1993
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:22,960
and had they have carried through with

1994
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:24,080
that

1995
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:27,679
their plan originally was to get the

1996
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:30,080
spacecraft to mars

1997
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:31,600
to land it

1998
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:34,719
on the phobos moon

1999
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:38,480
and then use the phobos moon to step

2000
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:39,440
down

2001
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:41,199
to mars itself

2002
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,000
that was what they were talking about

2003
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:46,719
well the phobos ii probe

2004
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,239
encountered

2005
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,239
something else

2006
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:52,800
now this is where today

2007
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:54,719
if you bothered to talk about this case

2008
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:55,679
at all

2009
01:24:02,629 --> 01:23:59,280
the controversy emerges

2010
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:02,639
you see in sichen's book

2011
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:05,840
okay which was genesis revisited

2012
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:07,920
one of the photographs he had in there

2013
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:10,080
was a photograph of mars and the

2014
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,960
atmosphere of mars now mars has an

2015
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:14,400
atmosphere

2016
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,480
nonetheless it does have one

2017
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:23,040
and you couldn't breathe the martian

2018
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:24,400
atmosphere

2019
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:27,679
but that's beside the point it's there

2020
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:31,440
and reflected off this

2021
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:32,800
atmosphere

2022
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:36,880
was this huge ellipsoid shadow

2023
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:40,159
okay clearly visible in in this photo

2024
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:44,239
plate in his book so then as the phobos

2025
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:48,080
2 probe was taking photographs in the

2026
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:49,520
infrared

2027
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:51,199
of mars

2028
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:54,800
of phobos and beyond phobos

2029
01:25:00,270 --> 01:24:56,800
it saw something

2030
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:00,280
and this something was a huge

2031
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:02,719
cigar-shaped object

2032
01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:05,040
okay this is according to the russians

2033
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:07,760
this is not according to don ecker

2034
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:13,440
and the russians then glav cosmos said

2035
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:15,840
this object

2036
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:19,040
turned toward their probe

2037
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:20,800
and hid it

2038
01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:23,280
in effect it rammed it

2039
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:26,000
and whatever that thing was when it

2040
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:28,880
rammed the phobos 2 probe it turned it

2041
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:30,719
into a spinner what they called a

2042
01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:32,000
spinner

2043
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:36,239
and they lost all contact with phobos 2.

2044
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:38,080
that was the end of the story

2045
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:39,679
now in

2046
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:42,880
zachariah's book he mentioned that it

2047
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:46,080
took one final photograph

2048
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:49,840
well in april of 1991 after the iron

2049
01:25:55,270 --> 01:25:51,679
curtain fell

2050
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:55,280
one of the former leading lights of the

2051
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,600
soviet elite was dr marina papovich

2052
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:01,760
who was over here

2053
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:05,520
talking about among other things

2054
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:08,239
ufo sightings in the former soviet union

2055
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:09,760
now at the time

2056
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:11,920
before the iron curtain fell the soviet

2057
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:15,040
union was as we all know at least

2058
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:16,800
if we were paying attention that it was

2059
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:18,719
a closed society

2060
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:21,199
and as a matter of fact of soviet

2061
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:24,239
officialdom often made fun

2062
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:25,600
of what they

2063
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:27,440
saw as this

2064
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:30,320
western fascination with

2065
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:32,960
ufos but the fact of the matter was

2066
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:36,320
the russians had their own problems with

2067
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:39,920
ufos including sending jet fighters up

2068
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:43,120
to chase these things and losing pilots

2069
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:45,840
just like we did in the west now

2070
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:49,360
popovich knew a lot about that because

2071
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:53,600
not only was she a phd but she was also

2072
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:57,199
a former soviet pilot a colonel

2073
01:27:03,510 --> 01:26:59,679
in the red air force and

2074
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:03,520
she was one of their leading aviators

2075
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:05,280
she had broken

2076
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:07,360
my god uh

2077
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:10,880
how many aviation records you could look

2078
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:14,639
her up online but she was the real deal

2079
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:17,280
okay she she had the right stuff for the

2080
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:19,920
red air force and she was talking openly

2081
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:21,840
and frankly about this

2082
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:24,639
and i asked her about

2083
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:27,760
this case okay i figured she would know

2084
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:31,600
about it because she lived in star city

2085
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:33,760
where all their cosmonauts and

2086
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:36,320
everything was all their scientists

2087
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:38,480
concerned with outer space and outer

2088
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:41,520
space activities she knew all these

2089
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:44,239
people and number one she was shocked

2090
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,480
that i a westerner

2091
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:48,560
knew anything about it but i told her

2092
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:51,760
how i knew and and what i had discovered

2093
01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:55,199
and i asked her about this photograph

2094
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:57,679
that allegedly had been taken by the

2095
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:00,880
probe right before its destruction and

2096
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:02,960
she told me that she would be coming

2097
01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:05,679
back to the states later that year and

2098
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:07,840
she would ask about it well she went

2099
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:10,800
back to russia and she spoke to one of

2100
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:13,520
her contacts which was a cosmonaut by

2101
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:16,880
the name of lyanna nav i believe it was

2102
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:19,760
and he went into their archives got her

2103
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,239
a copy of this photograph

2104
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:24,400
gave it to her and good to her word when

2105
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:26,400
she came back she brought it with her

2106
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:28,480
and i got a copy of it and as a matter

2107
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:30,960
of fact for the first time ever i showed

2108
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:33,920
it on national tv on larry king life

2109
01:28:40,629 --> 01:28:38,159
this photograph showed in infrared this

2110
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:40,639
uh mars moonlet phobos

2111
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:43,360
and this object behind it

2112
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:45,840
and according to the russians this

2113
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:47,840
object was

2114
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:51,760
15 and a half miles long

2115
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:54,960
and approximately one mile in diameter

2116
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:57,520
so the bottom line was

2117
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:00,239
they were convinced that something

2118
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:03,679
inexplicable was there now after i

2119
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:06,400
released the photograph on on larry king

2120
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:09,600
live and later we ran stuff in ufo

2121
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:10,800
magazine

2122
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:14,159
about this and this case immediately the

2123
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:16,480
skeptics came out oh that was nothing

2124
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:18,800
more than a computer glitch that was

2125
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:21,600
just a stream of unverified data blah

2126
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:24,080
blah blah i mean you know you can expect

2127
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:26,719
that kind of thing was there actually

2128
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:29,520
something there well i gotta be honest i

2129
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:32,480
don't know i wasn't there but according

2130
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,199
to the russians at the time

2131
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:37,520
there was something there and that

2132
01:29:41,830 --> 01:29:40,560
something rammed their craft and

2133
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:41,840
destroyed it

2134
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:44,080
so i mean you know you're going to have

2135
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:46,159
to make up your own mind about that well

2136
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:47,520
i want to ask you and we're going to

2137
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:49,280
have to break in a moment

2138
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:51,920
about the space program about what

2139
01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:53,280
appeared to have been the end of the

2140
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:55,760
space program do you believe in a secret

2141
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:57,840
space program about the possibility that

2142
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:00,239
maybe we have already gone to mars we

2143
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:03,840
don't have to wait till 2030 or 2035

2144
01:30:07,990 --> 01:30:06,239
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2260
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been the perfect alternative for my

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2263
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2264
01:35:01,110 --> 01:34:57,350
hi it's grant cameron from presidential

2265
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ufo.com you're listening to the paracast

2266
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:05,280
the gold standard of paranormal radio

2267
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:06,880
with gene and chris and the powercast

2268
01:35:11,189 --> 01:35:08,639
don necker is joining us i framed a

2269
01:35:13,830 --> 01:35:11,199
question in the previous segment

2270
01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:13,840
about our space program do you think

2271
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,920
there's a secret space program advanced

2272
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:17,520
enough to have already

2273
01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:19,600
made extended voyages to the moon and

2274
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:21,600
possibly to mars

2275
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:25,600
you know last friday night as we do this

2276
01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:27,520
show today

2277
01:35:33,910 --> 01:35:31,520
uh i was believe it or not talking about

2278
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:33,920
that very thing now

2279
01:35:39,189 --> 01:35:37,520
the crux of that conversation basically

2280
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:39,199
dealt with

2281
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:43,520
hey we have absolutely we civilians

2282
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:46,960
have no idea how advanced

2283
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:50,480
avionics is today and you know for that

2284
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:51,679
matter

2285
01:35:56,229 --> 01:35:52,960
propulsion

2286
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:56,239
now there are those primarily in the

2287
01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:59,040
fringe elements of the ufo community

2288
01:36:03,990 --> 01:36:00,880
that will

2289
01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:04,000
go on and on and wax poetically about

2290
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:07,840
america's secret space program

2291
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:09,760
now you ask me do i think it's

2292
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:13,199
conceivable actually gene i do

2293
01:36:18,910 --> 01:36:17,280
i really do think it might be possible

2294
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:18,920
i found it

2295
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:20,719
incomprehensible

2296
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:22,960
several years back

2297
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:24,719
when obama

2298
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:28,000
canceled manned space program

2299
01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:30,639
we have a presence on the international

2300
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:32,239
space station

2301
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:33,440
yet

2302
01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:36,000
we have to depend

2303
01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:39,840
upon the russians to get our astronauts

2304
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:42,639
up there bring our astronauts back and

2305
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:44,239
to resupply

2306
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:46,000
the space station well them and the

2307
01:36:49,950 --> 01:36:47,600
europeans

2308
01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:49,960
and i just find it

2309
01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:53,040
incomprehensible that america

2310
01:36:58,229 --> 01:36:54,880
who basically

2311
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:58,239
had the first moon landing

2312
01:37:03,189 --> 01:37:00,239
and for that matter the only moon

2313
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:03,199
landings okay were american that we we

2314
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:05,040
are aware of

2315
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:06,560
and today

2316
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:08,000
we can't

2317
01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:11,520
basically put a a man or woman in orbit

2318
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:14,239
because we don't have the capability

2319
01:37:19,189 --> 01:37:17,040
well maybe elon musk will figure it out

2320
01:37:23,590 --> 01:37:19,199
yeah maybe but but here's the other

2321
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:23,600
thing i also could not comprehend

2322
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:26,400
when the united states air force

2323
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:30,159
canceled the sr-71 blackbird airplane

2324
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:33,040
because they had nothing publicly to

2325
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:34,960
fulfill the role

2326
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:38,159
that the sr-71 was carrying out since

2327
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:40,880
the early 1960s

2328
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:44,639
here was an aircraft that today

2329
01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:46,960
today 2015

2330
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:50,080
the top speed of that aircraft is still

2331
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:53,440
classified something that is supposedly

2332
01:37:57,109 --> 01:37:55,119
obsolete

2333
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:57,119
something that never had a carry-on

2334
01:38:02,470 --> 01:37:59,760
project to fulfill that role do i

2335
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:02,480
believe that no i don't

2336
01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:06,000
okay just like i don't believe

2337
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:06,880
that

2338
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:10,080
we couldn't if push came to shove put

2339
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:12,960
human beings from the united states of

2340
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:16,560
america in space so is it conceivable

2341
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:18,400
for me to think that we might have

2342
01:38:22,629 --> 01:38:19,440
something

2343
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:22,639
back in the black dark corner well yeah

2344
01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:25,679
i do i think it might be conceivable

2345
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:27,199
chris you want to pop in a question or

2346
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:29,600
two well i you know again i've i've been

2347
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:32,400
uh of the mind that i think that uh

2348
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:34,639
that we do have some sort of presence

2349
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:36,719
up there that's classified i think gary

2350
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:38,800
mckinnon i mean i got a harley going

2351
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:41,679
here uh the gary mckinnon

2352
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:44,320
uh hacking job mentioned what don i

2353
01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:48,159
think 150 off-planet officers and i

2354
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:50,400
don't think uh i i don't think that was

2355
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:52,400
a hoax i think that there really is some

2356
01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:54,320
sort of presence up there

2357
01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:56,239
now how advanced

2358
01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:57,840
our technology is whether we have

2359
01:39:01,990 --> 01:39:00,080
anti-grav technology or whether we've

2360
01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:02,000
been able to travel to other other

2361
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:04,480
planets uh i'm not sure but

2362
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:06,800
it just you know it harkens back to the

2363
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:09,280
very enemy quotes uh

2364
01:39:13,430 --> 01:39:11,920
from ben rich the the head of the skunk

2365
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:13,440
works so who started the skunk works is

2366
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:14,880
saying that we have the technology to

2367
01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:16,960
take e.t home and everything that you

2368
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:18,800
could possibly imagine we can

2369
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:20,239
and everything that you can imagine

2370
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:22,159
we've already accomplished so

2371
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:23,520
and then something about we figured out

2372
01:39:27,669 --> 01:39:25,360
the formula and

2373
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:27,679
so you know there there are enough hints

2374
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:29,040
out there i think that suggests that we

2375
01:39:33,910 --> 01:39:31,119
do have a presence but to what extent

2376
01:39:37,030 --> 01:39:33,920
our technology is it advanced to the

2377
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:37,040
point where we could travel to mars uh

2378
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:38,960
and and bring it bring them a human

2379
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:40,880
presence there i you know i'm not sure

2380
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:44,000
um i i'd give it a 50 50 though well

2381
01:39:49,270 --> 01:39:46,639
with that in mind chris and and you made

2382
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:49,280
some excellent points with that in mind

2383
01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:50,880
last friday

2384
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:53,600
when we were doing dmr our open line

2385
01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:54,480
friday

2386
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:55,840
show

2387
01:40:01,669 --> 01:39:59,600
i was talking about that week i had gone

2388
01:40:03,910 --> 01:40:01,679
back to two

2389
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:03,920
keyhole donald kehoe

2390
01:40:06,830 --> 01:40:05,280
books

2391
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:06,840
uh one from

2392
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:11,760
1955 56 the flying saucer conspiracy

2393
01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:14,880
the other from the very early 60s

2394
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:17,920
and i was rereading passages in those

2395
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:19,760
books and in those books what i was

2396
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:21,280
primarily

2397
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:24,639
interested in was what kehoe was talking

2398
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:26,480
about mars

2399
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:33,440
and the moon incidentally then

2400
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:36,560
and what we were talking about today

2401
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:39,760
because that was in the aftermath of

2402
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:43,040
this quote-unquote big jpl announcement

2403
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:46,800
about finding saltwater on mars

2404
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:49,199
and you know the more things change the

2405
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:51,440
more they stay the same

2406
01:40:58,149 --> 01:40:54,960
and kehoe was talking about

2407
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:58,159
uh the state at that time the state of

2408
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:00,639
research as he knew it

2409
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:03,199
and i'll tell you what the things that

2410
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:05,600
he was saying which today are virtually

2411
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,119
forgotten

2412
01:41:12,149 --> 01:41:09,840
were things like in connection with what

2413
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:12,159
was known about mars

2414
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:14,239
the search for

2415
01:41:18,870 --> 01:41:16,639
satellites in

2416
01:41:21,950 --> 01:41:18,880
then earth orbit

2417
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:21,960
now satellites in earth orbit

2418
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:26,480
1955 i mean the the soviet sputnik

2419
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:29,679
launch didn't happen until 57. well what

2420
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:32,080
in the world was he talking about well

2421
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:35,119
at the time it was a huge story

2422
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:36,159
but

2423
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:37,119
two

2424
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:43,520
mystery satellites had taken up orbit

2425
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:46,000
around the planet when this story broke

2426
01:41:52,470 --> 01:41:48,719
and one of the leading scientists

2427
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:52,480
that was uh researching this was dr

2428
01:41:57,430 --> 01:41:54,239
lincoln lapotz

2429
01:41:59,669 --> 01:41:57,440
who is a famous famous name in the

2430
01:42:02,950 --> 01:41:59,679
annals of ufo research back in those

2431
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:02,960
days they were talking about these two

2432
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:06,080
mystery objects that incidentally the

2433
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:08,800
american government claimed now listen

2434
01:42:13,870 --> 01:42:11,119
to this they claimed

2435
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:13,880
that they believed that they were

2436
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:15,920
non-artificial they were

2437
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:19,600
natural meteorites or asteroids

2438
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:22,159
that came in from deep space just

2439
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:25,040
happened to have the right trajectory

2440
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:27,440
and they took up orbits around the

2441
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:30,719
planet one at 400 miles one at 600 miles

2442
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:31,760
okay

2443
01:42:36,629 --> 01:42:34,000
and when we finally got our space

2444
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:36,639
program going hey we might even use

2445
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:40,159
those as a space platform to get further

2446
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:43,360
out into the universe now of course that

2447
01:42:49,510 --> 01:42:46,719
was the purest poppycock you could

2448
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,520
imagine imagine trying to you know

2449
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:51,840
convince the public of something like

2450
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:54,960
that today but the fact remains there

2451
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:57,199
was something there

2452
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:59,760
and incidentally then they left

2453
01:43:03,189 --> 01:43:01,600
now explain that one

2454
01:43:05,109 --> 01:43:03,199
but they were there

2455
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:05,119
they were tracked

2456
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:08,000
okay and nobody had a clue what in the

2457
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:09,760
hell they were

2458
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:13,360
but i think we can all speculate so yeah

2459
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:16,000
the more things change today

2460
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,960
okay the more they stay the same because

2461
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:20,560
you've got to be

2462
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:25,600
with what has gone on in the past and

2463
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:28,159
now we're talking about 50 and 60 years

2464
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:30,960
ago but the same questions are being

2465
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,679
asked guys okay just for the reference

2466
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:35,440
if you want to look it up folks the

2467
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:37,199
flying saucer conspiracy was published

2468
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:40,800
in 1955. the next book which is i assume

2469
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:42,480
is what you were talking about

2470
01:43:47,109 --> 01:43:44,960
his next to last book was flying saucers

2471
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:47,119
top secret 1960.

2472
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:49,040
right he wrote one more book called

2473
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:51,760
aliens from space from 1973

2474
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:54,000
and then he was 76 years old and that's

2475
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:56,080
around the time i met kehoe i met kehoe

2476
01:44:01,270 --> 01:43:58,480
several times during the 60s and in the

2477
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:01,280
70s now i remember don and we can expand

2478
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:03,520
on this in our next segment i remember

2479
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:05,280
in some of those early books he was

2480
01:44:10,229 --> 01:44:07,040
still talking about

2481
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:10,239
the martian canals this is before we

2482
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:12,320
had concluded there were no martian

2483
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,760
canals but that goes back to his

2484
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:15,840
earliest books and he was making a

2485
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:17,679
really big deal over the possibility

2486
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:20,880
that if ufos or spaceships

2487
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:23,840
he wasn't thinking so much in terms of

2488
01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:25,600
the galactic neighborhood other star

2489
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:28,400
systems but another planet in this solar

2490
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:31,119
system how interesting well yeah it was

2491
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:33,920
and and not only that but i mean it

2492
01:44:38,709 --> 01:44:35,280
providing

2493
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:38,719
uh there was some kind of a presence on

2494
01:44:42,950 --> 01:44:40,639
mars and we don't know one way or the

2495
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:42,960
other but let's say for the sake of this

2496
01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:45,360
discussion there was that doesn't mean

2497
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:48,239
they were indigenous perhaps they were

2498
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:50,960
what uh sitchin was talking about a

2499
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:54,400
reactivated space space of some type but

2500
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:56,639
here's the other thing that kehoe made a

2501
01:45:01,990 --> 01:44:59,920
point to point out to the public let's

2502
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:02,000
do our break and then we'll find out the

2503
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:04,239
point for major donald kehoe

2504
01:45:09,109 --> 01:45:06,400
and the significance okay we have don

2505
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:09,119
ecker of the dark matters radio show

2506
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:11,679
and that's you know one of the premier

2507
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:13,679
shows on the paranormal we're happy to

2508
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:14,719
recommend

2509
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:16,400
other shows that we think where you can

2510
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:19,360
get really solid reliable information

2511
01:45:33,390 --> 01:45:32,470
you are listening to gcn

2512
01:45:34,970 --> 01:45:33,400
visit

2513
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:34,980
gcnlive.com today

2514
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[Music]

2515
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:39,199
first game attack of the rockoids and it

2516
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:41,199
was a critically acclaimed success and

2517
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:42,560
now there is the coming of the

2518
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:44,480
protectors a former military

2519
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:46,639
intelligence man is contacted by a space

2520
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:48,800
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2521
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:51,440
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2522
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:53,040
her distant planet are planning to

2523
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:55,280
conquer the earth this is gripping

2524
01:45:59,669 --> 01:45:57,840
science fiction of the classic kind

2525
01:46:01,709 --> 01:45:59,679
attack of the rockoids and the coming of

2526
01:46:04,590 --> 01:46:01,719
the protectors find out more at

2527
01:46:07,030 --> 01:46:04,600
rockoaids.com that's rockoids

2528
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:07,040
r-o-c-k-o-i-d-s dot com

2529
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:08,960
so here's what happened i was placing an

2530
01:46:14,629 --> 01:46:12,080
order online the site went down it just

2531
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:14,639
stopped responding it took hours before

2532
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:16,560
it returned but i'd already placed the

2533
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:18,320
order with another company if your site

2534
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:20,880
goes down you could lose business and if

2535
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:22,960
you have a business or personal site you

2536
01:46:28,629 --> 01:46:25,199
want to know it's easy to run and it

2537
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:28,639
will stay online at iweb your site is

2538
01:46:33,950 --> 01:46:31,360
hosted on one of the most reliable

2539
01:46:39,109 --> 01:46:33,960
networks in the world check it out

2540
01:46:43,750 --> 01:46:41,350
my name is bill bonner and i'm the

2541
01:46:46,149 --> 01:46:43,760
president of the largest private news

2542
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:46,159
and research network in the world and i

2543
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:48,639
paid for this air time because i have an

2544
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:51,280
important message to the american people

2545
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:53,360
there's a change coming that the

2546
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:56,400
government isn't telling you about this

2547
01:47:01,750 --> 01:46:59,199
change has deep implications for life in

2548
01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:01,760
america from where you shop to the

2549
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:03,600
doctors you visit and the family you

2550
01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:05,040
want to protect

2551
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:07,280
look i've made predictions like this

2552
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:11,040
before thing is i was right then too

2553
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:13,840
a few years ago i warned that housing

2554
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:16,560
prices would collapse they did

2555
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:19,840
before that i warned that dot-com

2556
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:21,600
companies would crash

2557
01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:22,800
they did

2558
01:47:26,950 --> 01:47:24,320
those who listened

2559
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:26,960
had a chance to save themselves but this

2560
01:47:31,109 --> 01:47:28,960
has nothing to do with the stock market

2561
01:47:33,590 --> 01:47:31,119
this will affect us all you can watch

2562
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:33,600
the video for free right now by going to

2563
01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:35,600
disappearingdollar.com

2564
01:47:52,870 --> 01:47:49,189
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2565
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:52,880
standard of paranormal radio

2566
01:47:57,490 --> 01:47:54,159
and now

2567
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:57,500
here's gene steinberg

2568
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:02,709
we have don ecker

2569
01:48:07,350 --> 01:48:05,199
joining us retired ufo researcher who

2570
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:07,360
isn't quite out of the game yet and

2571
01:48:13,030 --> 01:48:10,159
we're talking about major donald kehoe

2572
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:13,040
the pioneer ufo researcher who

2573
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:15,679
wrote his first book around 1950

2574
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:18,800
and wrote several more through 1973 he

2575
01:48:22,709 --> 01:48:19,920
hung on

2576
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:22,719
through the age of 91 before he died in

2577
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:24,239
1988.

2578
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:26,880
tell us more don ecker kehoe back in

2579
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:29,840
those days who incidentally was

2580
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:33,840
considered to be one of the huge biggest

2581
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:36,560
thorns in the architects of

2582
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:39,360
secrecy about the ufo topic

2583
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,360
but kehoe made a point to elucidate to

2584
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:45,119
the american people and people around

2585
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:47,199
the world that every time mars made its

2586
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:49,280
closest approach

2587
01:48:56,189 --> 01:48:52,320
to earth and you know mars every couple

2588
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:56,199
of years it comes in pretty close

2589
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:59,119
cosmologically speaking to planet earth

2590
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:01,119
ufo sightings

2591
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:02,639
dramatically

2592
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:05,360
increased the number of sightings the

2593
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:07,280
number of reports

2594
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:10,400
really spiked in those time periods

2595
01:49:18,430 --> 01:49:14,639
and back i jean you may be able to

2596
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:18,440
correct me if i'm wrong but back about

2597
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:22,080
1954 1955

2598
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:24,880
there was an astronomical

2599
01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:27,679
big big thing going on

2600
01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:29,360
where all these

2601
01:49:36,629 --> 01:49:32,480
world-class astronomers were heading to

2602
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:36,639
south africa because mars was making its

2603
01:49:41,830 --> 01:49:38,639
closest approach

2604
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:41,840
the thing garnered a name in the press

2605
01:49:47,910 --> 01:49:44,880
they called it the mars patrol and they

2606
01:49:50,870 --> 01:49:47,920
were going to do some very in-depth

2607
01:49:53,590 --> 01:49:50,880
viewing of the planet mars to answer a

2608
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:53,600
lot of questions not the least of which

2609
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:57,280
was are there canals there or not

2610
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:01,119
canals okay that is somewhat of a

2611
01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:02,639
misnomer

2612
01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:03,920
because

2613
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:08,560
the guy that originally coined that term

2614
01:50:14,310 --> 01:50:11,280
was a an italian astronomer by the name

2615
01:50:15,350 --> 01:50:14,320
of in i may mispronounce is schiaparelli

2616
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:15,360
i believe

2617
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:19,360
but he said canali okay which

2618
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:22,239
doesn't mean the same thing as

2619
01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:24,560
when we say a canal

2620
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:26,239
it's not quite the same thing although

2621
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:27,840
it sounds the same

2622
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:30,320
basically what scaparrelli and i hope

2623
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:32,239
i'm not mispronouncing his name was

2624
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,040
talking about were throughways or

2625
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:38,400
waterways where water flowed whether it

2626
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:40,800
was still flowing or not was anybody's

2627
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:44,560
guess but these canali okay is what they

2628
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:47,360
were looking for after they got down

2629
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:48,320
there

2630
01:50:53,149 --> 01:50:50,719
and after they they did their viewing

2631
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:53,159
they did their observing

2632
01:50:59,030 --> 01:50:56,080
inexplicably according to kehoe the

2633
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:59,040
secrecy gates closed down over it now of

2634
01:51:02,550 --> 01:51:00,000
course

2635
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:02,560
i'll be the first to admit that kehoe

2636
01:51:07,590 --> 01:51:05,280
had a pot boiler

2637
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:07,600
kind of mentality when he was writing

2638
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:08,800
these books

2639
01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:11,440
not that his information was not

2640
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:14,880
accurate but he liked to really spice it

2641
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:17,360
up a little bit juice it up a little bit

2642
01:51:21,270 --> 01:51:19,760
that was his writing style the thing

2643
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:21,280
that bothered a lot of people were the

2644
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:24,639
so-called recreated conversations

2645
01:51:29,750 --> 01:51:27,520
it read like a low-rank mystery novel

2646
01:51:31,590 --> 01:51:29,760
and by the way kejo was a novelist also

2647
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:31,600
don't forget i mean

2648
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:33,520
this is something that most people are

2649
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:35,440
not aware of

2650
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:37,840
okay with donald keyhole

2651
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:38,639
but

2652
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:40,719
everybody knows he was a marine corps

2653
01:51:44,709 --> 01:51:42,639
retired officer

2654
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:44,719
many people are not aware that he was a

2655
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:46,960
graduate of annapolis

2656
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:49,360
many people are not aware of he was an

2657
01:51:54,950 --> 01:51:52,080
aide to charles lindbergh after

2658
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:54,960
lindbergh's world famous flight to

2659
01:51:59,910 --> 01:51:57,520
europe the first human being ever that

2660
01:52:03,030 --> 01:51:59,920
we're aware of that crossed the atlantic

2661
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:03,040
solo by himself in a small rickety

2662
01:52:09,589 --> 01:52:06,400
airplane and when lindbergh came back he

2663
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:09,599
was of course applauded as a national

2664
01:52:15,189 --> 01:52:12,560
hero we're talking big big big stuff

2665
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:15,199
back in those days and kehoe wrote a

2666
01:52:19,270 --> 01:52:17,440
book about that i forget now what it was

2667
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:19,280
called my time with lindbergh or

2668
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:22,239
something but kehoe was no schlub when

2669
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:24,960
it came to that and he was a very

2670
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:28,320
well-known recognized aviation authority

2671
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:31,599
when he was still active duty he led the

2672
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:32,719
first

2673
01:52:40,149 --> 01:52:36,320
naval marine squadron from the united

2674
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:40,159
states flying into guam okay so this guy

2675
01:52:44,790 --> 01:52:42,480
had a lot of accomplishments in his

2676
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:44,800
background he was involved in an air

2677
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:47,760
crash he was injured to the point where

2678
01:52:51,990 --> 01:52:49,599
they medically retired him although

2679
01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:52,000
during world war ii they did bring him

2680
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:54,480
back for a desk job

2681
01:53:02,229 --> 01:52:58,080
kehoe he knew where a lot of the bodies

2682
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:02,239
were buried and the then top military

2683
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:03,440
figures

2684
01:53:09,589 --> 01:53:06,320
in the united states hey keyhole was on

2685
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:09,599
damn near a first name basis with most

2686
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:12,719
of them roscoe hillencotter the first

2687
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:14,960
director of the central intelligence

2688
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:16,159
agency

2689
01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:19,280
who later sat on the board of nightcap

2690
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:21,040
was a buddy of his that's right they

2691
01:53:25,109 --> 01:53:22,639
went to school together as a matter of

2692
01:53:27,510 --> 01:53:25,119
fact but right now let's get back to

2693
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:27,520
mars the martian mysteries the

2694
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:29,760
possibility that maybe we've already

2695
01:53:34,070 --> 01:53:32,080
visited mars whether there is some sort

2696
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:34,080
of life there even if it's not native

2697
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:37,760
life but maybe a base of some sort now

2698
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:40,400
looking at this today 2015. i want to

2699
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:41,920
get into lunar mysteries in a few

2700
01:53:47,109 --> 01:53:45,040
moments looking at this today 2015. what

2701
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:47,119
do we have to do to prove any of this

2702
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:49,520
physically go to mars or what or have

2703
01:53:53,830 --> 01:53:51,599
them contact us

2704
01:53:54,629 --> 01:53:53,840
well of course if they were to contact

2705
01:53:57,430 --> 01:53:54,639
us

2706
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:57,440
that would be ideal but

2707
01:54:02,470 --> 01:53:59,840
for all we know maybe they did but we

2708
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:02,480
would not be told about it

2709
01:54:05,910 --> 01:54:04,080
uh

2710
01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:05,920
you know

2711
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:10,239
looking at it

2712
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:13,440
through the lens of my experience in the

2713
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:16,320
field i think that would be impossible

2714
01:54:22,310 --> 01:54:19,599
why do i say impossible well number one

2715
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:22,320
you know we kind of jokingly referred to

2716
01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:24,960
the internet hey if it's on the internet

2717
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:27,280
must be true right well

2718
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:28,960
quite frankly

2719
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:32,000
nothing we see on the internet

2720
01:54:37,910 --> 01:54:32,960
is

2721
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:37,920
uh ironclad anything can be doctored uh

2722
01:54:44,470 --> 01:54:40,320
the photographs my god yes uh

2723
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:44,480
photographs uh no photograph i see

2724
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:47,119
do i believe at first sight it's just

2725
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:49,440
you know maybe it's my innate

2726
01:54:54,709 --> 01:54:52,239
cynicism but i've been burned

2727
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:54,719
too many times by garbage on the

2728
01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:55,840
internet

2729
01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:57,040
uh

2730
01:55:01,750 --> 01:54:58,800
it's not that i'm necessarily

2731
01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:01,760
distrustful by nature

2732
01:55:06,870 --> 01:55:04,480
but you know 99 of the time

2733
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:06,880
you have no idea who it is that's

2734
01:55:10,950 --> 01:55:09,760
putting this stuff up there you have no

2735
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:10,960
idea

2736
01:55:17,510 --> 01:55:14,719
what uh you know their plan might be or

2737
01:55:20,629 --> 01:55:17,520
or what you know what lays behind

2738
01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:20,639
disclosing this top secret information

2739
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:23,040
there are too many jokesters hoaxers and

2740
01:55:30,070 --> 01:55:26,400
bs artists out there you just can't

2741
01:55:31,510 --> 01:55:30,080
trust anything so even if it comes from

2742
01:55:33,669 --> 01:55:31,520
an official

2743
01:55:36,790 --> 01:55:33,679
government spokesperson

2744
01:55:39,669 --> 01:55:36,800
i would excuse me just on the service i

2745
01:55:41,189 --> 01:55:39,679
would be distrustful of it and i really

2746
01:55:44,709 --> 01:55:41,199
kind of hate that

2747
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:44,719
that aspect of my personality but i've

2748
01:55:49,350 --> 01:55:47,199
just seen too much and i think you'll

2749
01:55:51,589 --> 01:55:49,360
know exactly what i'm talking about

2750
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:51,599
well i often suggest that if

2751
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:53,760
the government disclosed that ufos were

2752
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:55,920
real that they were extraterrestrial

2753
01:55:58,629 --> 01:55:56,639
that

2754
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:58,639
the major governments of the world were

2755
01:56:02,709 --> 01:56:01,280
in touch with et most people wouldn't

2756
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:02,719
believe it

2757
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:04,719
no they wouldn't and

2758
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my next immediate question

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would be

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where's the money okay

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follow the money because

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if if something like that were publicly

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announced

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hey

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guys like you and i chris others you

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know that have been in this field for

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any length of time

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are going to be looking for the

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macguffin what's the macguffin here

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what's the real deal

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uh i just

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you know i just uh and maybe this can be

2773
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traced back to the robertson panel in

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1953

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because that was originally the

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with gene and chris in the power cast

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and chris is on the road on skype in a

2905
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truck

2906
02:02:11,910 --> 02:02:10,239
why the reception's been hit or miss but

2907
02:02:14,229 --> 02:02:11,920
it's been pretty good now we have don

2908
02:02:15,109 --> 02:02:14,239
ecker joining us and i wanted to suggest

2909
02:02:17,430 --> 02:02:15,119
we

2910
02:02:19,510 --> 02:02:17,440
take the last three segments and focus

2911
02:02:21,589 --> 02:02:19,520
on lunar mysteries

2912
02:02:22,790 --> 02:02:21,599
so anything new

2913
02:02:26,149 --> 02:02:22,800
on the moon

2914
02:02:26,860 --> 02:02:26,159
it's a bad rhyme don ecker anything you

2915
02:02:28,390 --> 02:02:26,870
on the moon

2916
02:02:30,830 --> 02:02:28,400
[Laughter]

2917
02:02:35,430 --> 02:02:30,840
he has to repeat the bad rhyme

2918
02:02:42,149 --> 02:02:35,440
okay not that i'm aware of now although

2919
02:02:46,390 --> 02:02:43,990
it sounds like an imitation of an old

2920
02:02:47,750 --> 02:02:46,400
president i want to say this about that

2921
02:02:52,310 --> 02:02:47,760
yeah

2922
02:02:55,830 --> 02:02:52,320
i recently spoke to robert kiviout okay

2923
02:02:59,510 --> 02:02:55,840
who was the executive producer of the

2924
02:03:02,709 --> 02:02:59,520
lunar show that i was on back in

2925
02:03:05,669 --> 02:03:02,719
one did that air 2014 i think

2926
02:03:08,310 --> 02:03:05,679
where i publicly released the lunar

2927
02:03:09,669 --> 02:03:08,320
photograph that i have been holding on

2928
02:03:13,109 --> 02:03:09,679
to for years

2929
02:03:15,589 --> 02:03:13,119
which has what appears to be a

2930
02:03:17,430 --> 02:03:15,599
pipe running through a crater and you

2931
02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:17,440
know the lunar research that i've been

2932
02:03:24,470 --> 02:03:20,800
involved in since the early 90s

2933
02:03:27,910 --> 02:03:24,480
and uh kivia told me that that show

2934
02:03:30,629 --> 02:03:27,920
has been picked up by another network

2935
02:03:32,390 --> 02:03:30,639
that is going to be airing it again and

2936
02:03:34,149 --> 02:03:32,400
of course he's going to get residuals

2937
02:03:36,229 --> 02:03:34,159
and what have you from that if they do

2938
02:03:39,030 --> 02:03:36,239
it and i said well that that's really

2939
02:03:41,990 --> 02:03:39,040
great bob uh what what's that how's that

2940
02:03:44,790 --> 02:03:42,000
benefit me

2941
02:03:47,750 --> 02:03:44,800
he said well uh i guess it doesn't i

2942
02:03:50,790 --> 02:03:47,760
said that's right so

2943
02:03:53,109 --> 02:03:50,800
but that show is going to be uh on on

2944
02:03:54,149 --> 02:03:53,119
the tube again in in some places

2945
02:03:57,030 --> 02:03:54,159
although

2946
02:04:00,629 --> 02:03:57,040
uh it is available on netflix so if

2947
02:04:03,669 --> 02:04:00,639
you've never seen it except for the

2948
02:04:05,990 --> 02:04:03,679
mona lisa on the moon crap that the

2949
02:04:09,030 --> 02:04:06,000
sci-fi channel insisted according to

2950
02:04:11,350 --> 02:04:09,040
kibby it be uh embedded in that show

2951
02:04:14,149 --> 02:04:11,360
there is some interesting

2952
02:04:16,550 --> 02:04:14,159
stuff in that show i i'm not saying the

2953
02:04:19,189 --> 02:04:16,560
mike barris stuff is interesting

2954
02:04:21,030 --> 02:04:19,199
but uh you know there's there is some

2955
02:04:23,830 --> 02:04:21,040
good material in there

2956
02:04:26,149 --> 02:04:23,840
we have a question for you don uh

2957
02:04:28,229 --> 02:04:26,159
form.cast.com

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whereas our listeners probably know by

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now you can log on become a member of

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the forum and ask questions of our

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guests every week and this one comes

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from a fairly new uh sign up

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ron away and he's wondering uh about

2964
02:04:45,750 --> 02:04:43,520
your opinion on individuals in the field

2965
02:04:48,390 --> 02:04:45,760
and and his question is we all have our

2966
02:04:50,830 --> 02:04:48,400
own opinions on the fraud charlatans

2967
02:04:53,589 --> 02:04:50,840
liars and hopelessly gullible paranormal

2968
02:04:55,669 --> 02:04:53,599
participants of all the people you've

2969
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:55,679
met interviewed and worked with etc etc

2970
02:04:59,510 --> 02:04:57,760
in this field can you name your top

2971
02:05:01,510 --> 02:04:59,520
three for honesty integrity and

2972
02:05:05,030 --> 02:05:01,520
diligence thank you

2973
02:05:07,910 --> 02:05:05,040
well my top three i mean hey there

2974
02:05:11,109 --> 02:05:07,920
there are and were uh

2975
02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:11,119
you know some very honest diligent

2976
02:05:17,270 --> 02:05:14,800
people out there going back to my basic

2977
02:05:19,589 --> 02:05:17,280
entree into the field back in the the

2978
02:05:23,109 --> 02:05:19,599
late 1980s

2979
02:05:23,910 --> 02:05:23,119
just off the top of my head and believe

2980
02:05:26,470 --> 02:05:23,920
me

2981
02:05:28,709 --> 02:05:26,480
when when you're asked question like

2982
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:28,719
that there may be other people out there

2983
02:05:34,550 --> 02:05:31,280
that you know feel slighted

2984
02:05:36,310 --> 02:05:34,560
and uh you know upset and put out that

2985
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:36,320
you didn't mention

2986
02:05:41,750 --> 02:05:38,480
their name over the years there have

2987
02:05:44,149 --> 02:05:41,760
been a lot of people that i have known

2988
02:05:47,109 --> 02:05:44,159
that were you know very diligent

2989
02:05:49,350 --> 02:05:47,119
zachariah sitchin number one the sitchin

2990
02:05:52,390 --> 02:05:49,360
was a personal friend i had the highest

2991
02:05:55,990 --> 02:05:52,400
regard for what he did a lot of people

2992
02:05:59,669 --> 02:05:56,000
you know consider uh his material to not

2993
02:06:01,189 --> 02:05:59,679
be pristine hey everybody is subjective

2994
02:06:04,550 --> 02:06:01,199
about this kind of stuff but you're

2995
02:06:07,189 --> 02:06:04,560
asking my opinion kevin randle is uh

2996
02:06:08,870 --> 02:06:07,199
another guy that i've had the utmost

2997
02:06:13,030 --> 02:06:08,880
respect for

2998
02:06:14,229 --> 02:06:13,040
dr jesse marcel for what he brought to

2999
02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:14,239
the table

3000
02:06:21,430 --> 02:06:17,520
uh people like like william bromley and

3001
02:06:24,390 --> 02:06:21,440
his work i had high regard for

3002
02:06:26,870 --> 02:06:24,400
i mean good god george knapp i'm i'm

3003
02:06:29,669 --> 02:06:26,880
going a little beyond here with just

3004
02:06:31,990 --> 02:06:29,679
three people but george knapp

3005
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:32,000
did some fantastic

3006
02:06:37,109 --> 02:06:34,400
work bringing information out to the

3007
02:06:40,950 --> 02:06:37,119
public uh there there are

3008
02:06:43,109 --> 02:06:40,960
you know there are a number of people

3009
02:06:45,830 --> 02:06:43,119
uh as a matter of fact we could probably

3010
02:06:48,310 --> 02:06:45,840
do a whole show just on that aspect of

3011
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:48,320
it but i don't know who tuned in to

3012
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:50,800
listen to it gene so

3013
02:06:54,709 --> 02:06:52,800
just mentioning names well if we're

3014
02:06:56,830 --> 02:06:54,719
going to ask that question and you

3015
02:07:01,109 --> 02:06:56,840
responded what about the

3016
02:07:04,709 --> 02:07:01,119
reverse uh oh an another one another

3017
02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:04,719
excellent researcher god uh lest i

3018
02:07:10,470 --> 02:07:07,040
forget let me let me mention his name dr

3019
02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:10,480
john brandenburg uh john brandenburg is

3020
02:07:19,830 --> 02:07:15,360
uh his aces in my book he's not only

3021
02:07:22,470 --> 02:07:19,840
a superb scientist he's also a very

3022
02:07:23,589 --> 02:07:22,480
uh courageous guy because he's gone

3023
02:07:27,109 --> 02:07:23,599
public

3024
02:07:28,229 --> 02:07:27,119
in an area where he risks academic

3025
02:07:30,470 --> 02:07:28,239
censure

3026
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:30,480
so you know

3027
02:07:34,550 --> 02:07:32,800
okay so looking at the good guys what

3028
02:07:35,669 --> 02:07:34,560
about the bad guys you want to drop a

3029
02:07:38,229 --> 02:07:35,679
few names

3030
02:07:40,629 --> 02:07:38,239
uh you know gene golly i've done that so

3031
02:07:43,910 --> 02:07:40,639
many times on this show you know it's

3032
02:07:45,589 --> 02:07:43,920
like a who's who of who's the biggest bs

3033
02:07:48,229 --> 02:07:45,599
artist uh

3034
02:07:49,830 --> 02:07:48,239
fraud not really i really don't

3035
02:07:52,069 --> 02:07:49,840
do you think any more names will be

3036
02:07:54,550 --> 02:07:52,079
added to the list as a result of the

3037
02:07:57,270 --> 02:07:54,560
roswell slides debacle

3038
02:08:00,470 --> 02:07:57,280
hey if they haven't already been added

3039
02:08:02,470 --> 02:08:00,480
to the ufo hall of shame somebody is

3040
02:08:04,149 --> 02:08:02,480
asleep at the switch

3041
02:08:07,910 --> 02:08:04,159
uh you know

3042
02:08:09,669 --> 02:08:07,920
those kind of things i i was queried

3043
02:08:15,430 --> 02:08:09,679
recently

3044
02:08:18,629 --> 02:08:15,440
about the infamous uh steve greer

3045
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:18,639
movie that came out about that mummified

3046
02:08:23,030 --> 02:08:19,840
fetus

3047
02:08:25,990 --> 02:08:23,040
you know probably of some native

3048
02:08:28,550 --> 02:08:26,000
american you know child that was

3049
02:08:30,950 --> 02:08:28,560
discovered over a century ago and

3050
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you know they they started carting this

3051
02:08:36,950 --> 02:08:33,840
thing around ended up in a museum and

3052
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:36,960
then you know greer did a dog and pony

3053
02:08:42,069 --> 02:08:39,280
show on it that's the kind of stuff that

3054
02:08:44,229 --> 02:08:42,079
just offends me to no end

3055
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:44,239
and uh you know

3056
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:46,320
sure they they should be right up there

3057
02:08:50,629 --> 02:08:48,560
in the ufo hall of shame

3058
02:08:52,149 --> 02:08:50,639
all right yes i guess

3059
02:08:53,750 --> 02:08:52,159
if you do that it gets to be so

3060
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:53,760
disheartening

3061
02:08:58,310 --> 02:08:56,639
okay this one don comes from sablite

3062
02:09:00,589 --> 02:08:58,320
who's a member of the forums and he's

3063
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asking his question

3064
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forum.theparacast.com and he goes hey

3065
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don

3066
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you've always been one of my favorite

3067
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guests

3068
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we always talk about ufos landing on

3069
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earth or possible

3070
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bases on the moon mars or other places

3071
02:09:17,270 --> 02:09:14,960
but do you know of any investigation

3072
02:09:19,350 --> 02:09:17,280
into non-earthly spacecraft

3073
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that could be orbiting non-earthly

3074
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spacecraft

3075
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i'm having a hard time reading in the

3076
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car

3077
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orbiting the sun

3078
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or in some type of orbit around the

3079
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earth or somewhere else

3080
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in our solar system now we did talk

3081
02:09:34,629 --> 02:09:32,480
about the phobias the russian probe what

3082
02:09:36,790 --> 02:09:34,639
about the black knight that's

3083
02:09:38,629 --> 02:09:36,800
that subject crops up every now and then

3084
02:09:40,310 --> 02:09:38,639
supposedly an ancient satellite orbiting

3085
02:09:42,790 --> 02:09:40,320
the earth and what about some of these

3086
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:42,800
solar anomalies with what appear to be

3087
02:09:48,550 --> 02:09:46,719
large craft that are orbiting the sun or

3088
02:09:50,470 --> 02:09:48,560
sucking energy out of the sun where do

3089
02:09:52,229 --> 02:09:50,480
you come down and all that let's find

3090
02:09:53,750 --> 02:09:52,239
out the answer our next segment with

3091
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gene and chris

3092
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if you haven't joined our forums yet go

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with don ecker and gene and chris you're

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put on the back burner thankfully life

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my business and my monthly commission

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i've been a distributor for youngevity

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for over 17 years since before it was

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amazing thing about this company is the

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people while my family was in crisis

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about getting rich it was about a

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could count on and a monthly commission

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hi this is bryce abel i'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of ad after

3221
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3222
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paracast the gold standard of paranormal

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[Music]

3225
02:15:05,589 --> 02:15:03,199
i want to assure you those of you who

3226
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are wondering yes chris o'brien is in a

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moving truck

3228
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yes he's using skype on his iphone he is

3229
02:15:15,589 --> 02:15:12,560
not driving that truck correct

3230
02:15:17,910 --> 02:15:15,599
correct i am not driving the truck

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okay because i know the arizona highway

3232
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patrol

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just called and they wanted to find out

3234
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don ecker let's have your answer to the

3235
02:15:29,350 --> 02:15:27,199
question chris posed from our listeners

3236
02:15:32,069 --> 02:15:29,360
in our last segment okay the black

3237
02:15:34,629 --> 02:15:32,079
knight is personally one of those

3238
02:15:38,310 --> 02:15:34,639
stories that i have always found

3239
02:15:40,430 --> 02:15:38,320
fascinating that actually goes back

3240
02:15:44,550 --> 02:15:40,440
to the the late

3241
02:15:47,430 --> 02:15:44,560
1950s uh before really the americans had

3242
02:15:51,270 --> 02:15:47,440
a presence in space

3243
02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:51,280
the russians had launched sputnik

3244
02:15:56,870 --> 02:15:54,400
and uh we were still struggling to get a

3245
02:15:58,629 --> 02:15:56,880
rocket off the pad that didn't blow up

3246
02:16:01,350 --> 02:15:58,639
or fall over

3247
02:16:04,870 --> 02:16:01,360
so here was something

3248
02:16:05,629 --> 02:16:04,880
that according to the scientific

3249
02:16:08,390 --> 02:16:05,639
uh

3250
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:08,400
establishment at the time

3251
02:16:14,390 --> 02:16:12,239
they weighed in at approximately

3252
02:16:16,229 --> 02:16:14,400
1500 i think

3253
02:16:19,830 --> 02:16:16,239
1500

3254
02:16:21,589 --> 02:16:19,840
pounds or a couple of tons they were

3255
02:16:25,109 --> 02:16:21,599
able to determine

3256
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:25,119
this thing in a polar orbit

3257
02:16:28,950 --> 02:16:28,079
okay now periodically over the years

3258
02:16:30,149 --> 02:16:28,960
this

3259
02:16:32,549 --> 02:16:30,159
story

3260
02:16:35,750 --> 02:16:32,559
has cropped up several times

3261
02:16:39,110 --> 02:16:35,760
or more than actually several times

3262
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:39,120
and uh you know there have been those

3263
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:41,519
that claim that they've solved that

3264
02:16:45,270 --> 02:16:42,639
mystery

3265
02:16:47,030 --> 02:16:45,280
i don't think it has been entirely

3266
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:47,040
solved

3267
02:16:55,190 --> 02:16:52,080
as far as other craft orbiting the sun

3268
02:16:57,349 --> 02:16:55,200
or craft out in you know non-earthly

3269
02:16:59,349 --> 02:16:57,359
craft of course i'm talking about out in

3270
02:17:02,389 --> 02:16:59,359
the solar system

3271
02:17:04,709 --> 02:17:02,399
i have seen stories and reports about

3272
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:04,719
objects that have been discovered

3273
02:17:08,629 --> 02:17:07,120
traveling through the corona of the sun

3274
02:17:12,150 --> 02:17:08,639
and what have you there have been some

3275
02:17:14,549 --> 02:17:12,160
youtube videos but like i had mentioned

3276
02:17:17,349 --> 02:17:14,559
earlier with the internet

3277
02:17:18,870 --> 02:17:17,359
uh these kind of things are

3278
02:17:22,309 --> 02:17:18,880
you know i'm very

3279
02:17:25,110 --> 02:17:22,319
twitchy about accepting that stuff

3280
02:17:27,429 --> 02:17:25,120
at face value is that to say that

3281
02:17:30,389 --> 02:17:27,439
there's not anything out there well no

3282
02:17:33,990 --> 02:17:30,399
of course not there very well may be

3283
02:17:37,030 --> 02:17:34,000
but i have not seen anything that would

3284
02:17:39,429 --> 02:17:37,040
for me be conclusive evidence

3285
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:39,439
let's move back to the lunar

3286
02:17:42,549 --> 02:17:41,120
topic because we have like a segment and

3287
02:17:43,509 --> 02:17:42,559
a half here

3288
02:17:45,910 --> 02:17:43,519
again

3289
02:17:48,230 --> 02:17:45,920
catch up our listeners

3290
02:17:49,830 --> 02:17:48,240
in terms of lunar mysteries

3291
02:17:52,070 --> 02:17:49,840
what we're focusing on

3292
02:17:55,110 --> 02:17:52,080
well the bottom line with lunar

3293
02:17:56,469 --> 02:17:55,120
mysteries although today if you were to

3294
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go to

3295
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uh like here in in los angeles

3296
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california

3297
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:03,280
griffith observatory a world renowned

3298
02:18:08,549 --> 02:18:07,599
observatory uh currently headed by dr ed

3299
02:18:11,669 --> 02:18:08,559
crub

3300
02:18:12,950 --> 02:18:11,679
and you were to ask dr krupp

3301
02:18:15,589 --> 02:18:12,960
well doctor

3302
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:15,599
tell me what uh what's been discovered

3303
02:18:20,549 --> 02:18:18,880
uh on the moon or or how is lunar

3304
02:18:21,990 --> 02:18:20,559
observation

3305
02:18:25,270 --> 02:18:22,000
proceeding

3306
02:18:27,830 --> 02:18:25,280
krupp would tell you quite frankly well

3307
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:27,840
we don't watch the moon anymore

3308
02:18:31,830 --> 02:18:30,080
oh really why is that

3309
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:31,840
well there's nothing interesting up

3310
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:33,599
there i mean after all we've been to the

3311
02:18:39,830 --> 02:18:36,719
moon you know a half a dozen times and

3312
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:39,840
there's just nothing happening up there

3313
02:18:42,709 --> 02:18:40,880
well

3314
02:18:44,549 --> 02:18:42,719
that's not

3315
02:18:47,110 --> 02:18:44,559
entirely true

3316
02:18:48,389 --> 02:18:47,120
the bottom line is

3317
02:18:51,230 --> 02:18:48,399
the moon

3318
02:18:53,750 --> 02:18:51,240
has proven to be because its closest

3319
02:18:56,950 --> 02:18:53,760
astronomically to planet earth has been

3320
02:18:58,309 --> 02:18:56,960
one of the most observed bodies

3321
02:19:01,030 --> 02:18:58,319
in the sky

3322
02:19:02,549 --> 02:19:01,040
and that goes back for

3323
02:19:09,990 --> 02:19:02,559
centuries

3324
02:19:11,429 --> 02:19:10,000
going back to at least 1541

3325
02:19:13,110 --> 02:19:11,439
a.d

3326
02:19:15,349 --> 02:19:13,120
have observed

3327
02:19:20,389 --> 02:19:15,359
lunar mysteries

3328
02:19:23,669 --> 02:19:20,399
invention of the telescope even more

3329
02:19:26,549 --> 02:19:23,679
lunar mysteries have cropped up okay so

3330
02:19:30,070 --> 02:19:26,559
the bottom line was even before apollo

3331
02:19:32,389 --> 02:19:30,080
11 touched down on the moon in july of

3332
02:19:35,509 --> 02:19:32,399
1969

3333
02:19:37,830 --> 02:19:35,519
when they were preparing to go there

3334
02:19:40,870 --> 02:19:37,840
nasa contracted

3335
02:19:41,830 --> 02:19:40,880
to an academic study

3336
02:19:44,469 --> 02:19:41,840
to

3337
02:19:46,790 --> 02:19:44,479
basically document

3338
02:19:49,750 --> 02:19:46,800
lunar anomalies

3339
02:19:52,550 --> 02:19:49,760
that ended up going back 400 years

3340
02:19:56,150 --> 02:19:52,560
which proves if nothing else does that

3341
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:56,160
the moon is a vastly fascinating

3342
02:19:58,389 --> 02:19:57,359
interesting

3343
02:19:59,270 --> 02:19:58,399
place

3344
02:20:00,870 --> 02:19:59,280
and

3345
02:20:04,550 --> 02:20:00,880
you know it's like everything else in

3346
02:20:06,790 --> 02:20:04,560
the ufo or even the paranormal field

3347
02:20:10,469 --> 02:20:06,800
when you start talking about things like

3348
02:20:13,750 --> 02:20:10,479
this it becomes problematic because

3349
02:20:16,870 --> 02:20:13,760
everybody has a different opinion on it

3350
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:16,880
back in the mid 1960s which was a time

3351
02:20:20,309 --> 02:20:18,960
period that gene and i both recall

3352
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:20,319
pretty well

3353
02:20:27,030 --> 02:20:23,840
there was tons of of

3354
02:20:29,429 --> 02:20:27,040
chatter about what we were going to do

3355
02:20:32,389 --> 02:20:29,439
after we got to the moon

3356
02:20:34,550 --> 02:20:32,399
there were a lot of things not the very

3357
02:20:37,429 --> 02:20:34,560
least which was

3358
02:20:39,110 --> 02:20:37,439
putting a military presence on the moon

3359
02:20:40,150 --> 02:20:39,120
although that wasn't talked about too

3360
02:20:42,389 --> 02:20:40,160
much

3361
02:20:44,910 --> 02:20:42,399
publicly at the time but that was

3362
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:44,920
something that went back even to the

3363
02:20:48,790 --> 02:20:47,680
1950s when the pentagon was looking at

3364
02:20:51,030 --> 02:20:48,800
that

3365
02:20:53,830 --> 02:20:51,040
was looking at the idea of putting a

3366
02:20:56,309 --> 02:20:53,840
military base on the moon we were going

3367
02:20:59,110 --> 02:20:56,319
to build manufacturing processes we were

3368
02:21:01,590 --> 02:20:59,120
going to do all kinds of things and

3369
02:21:03,750 --> 02:21:01,600
there's that other thing

3370
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:03,760
that they were concerned about and they

3371
02:21:10,710 --> 02:21:07,040
wanted to get to called helium 3

3372
02:21:13,270 --> 02:21:10,720
which is a a substance on the moon which

3373
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:13,280
may have long-term

3374
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:16,000
implications for energy production down

3375
02:21:21,510 --> 02:21:18,000
the road but

3376
02:21:22,710 --> 02:21:21,520
once we got there we inexplicably

3377
02:21:25,910 --> 02:21:22,720
stopped

3378
02:21:28,150 --> 02:21:25,920
now here are some of the rumors about

3379
02:21:32,469 --> 02:21:28,160
why we stopped

3380
02:21:34,950 --> 02:21:32,479
we stopped because rumor once again

3381
02:21:38,070 --> 02:21:34,960
because there was already a presence on

3382
02:21:40,870 --> 02:21:38,080
the moon that told us we were not

3383
02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:40,880
welcome there at the time now is that

3384
02:21:46,910 --> 02:21:44,240
possible yeah i think it is possible

3385
02:21:49,750 --> 02:21:46,920
and there certainly seems to be enough

3386
02:21:51,910 --> 02:21:49,760
circumstantial information that would

3387
02:21:54,309 --> 02:21:51,920
suggest there are

3388
02:21:56,750 --> 02:21:54,319
non-natural

3389
02:21:59,429 --> 02:21:56,760
artifacts on the moon

3390
02:22:00,389 --> 02:21:59,439
non-natural artifacts which can only

3391
02:22:03,750 --> 02:22:00,399
mean

3392
02:22:06,150 --> 02:22:03,760
that there are artificial artifacts on

3393
02:22:06,950 --> 02:22:06,160
the moon and if there are who put them

3394
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:06,960
there

3395
02:22:18,550 --> 02:22:16,160
and we just don't know because we

3396
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:18,560
stopped going until

3397
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:21,600
the mid 90s when the department of

3398
02:22:26,870 --> 02:22:23,040
defense

3399
02:22:28,389 --> 02:22:26,880
sent a mission up there to totally remap

3400
02:22:29,349 --> 02:22:28,399
the moon

3401
02:22:31,670 --> 02:22:29,359
now

3402
02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:31,680
that never made sense to me

3403
02:22:37,190 --> 02:22:34,080
from a scientific standpoint it wasn't

3404
02:22:39,030 --> 02:22:37,200
nasa that went back it was the dod

3405
02:22:41,349 --> 02:22:39,040
department of defense

3406
02:22:44,230 --> 02:22:41,359
were they looking for something well if

3407
02:22:48,309 --> 02:22:44,240
they were we never found out what it was

3408
02:22:51,270 --> 02:22:48,319
so there are tremendous questions and

3409
02:22:53,349 --> 02:22:51,280
if the chinese decide to go there like

3410
02:22:55,270 --> 02:22:53,359
they're talking about it's going to be

3411
02:22:57,030 --> 02:22:55,280
interesting to see what happens once

3412
02:22:58,550 --> 02:22:57,040
they get there

3413
02:23:01,270 --> 02:22:58,560
when are the chinese supposed to go

3414
02:23:03,590 --> 02:23:01,280
there do you recall a time frame

3415
02:23:04,950 --> 02:23:03,600
yeah around 2020 right now is what

3416
02:23:07,510 --> 02:23:04,960
they're talking about right that's what

3417
02:23:09,349 --> 02:23:07,520
i think the thing i wonder here when we

3418
02:23:10,790 --> 02:23:09,359
talk about the space program

3419
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they're saying that we're going to get

3420
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to mars officially

3421
02:23:16,710 --> 02:23:15,359
in 2030 or 35.

3422
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and i think

3423
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in 1969 we land on the moon

3424
02:23:25,030 --> 02:23:23,520
with technology far far more primitive

3425
02:23:26,550 --> 02:23:25,040
but now

3426
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assuming of course the government would

3427
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allocate the funds which in this day and

3428
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age is really a serious problem

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regardless of the political parties in

3430
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the united states

3431
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if they were to allocate the funds why

3432
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would it take

3433
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15 20 years to get there

3434
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why couldn't we have some kind of

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program where we can get there

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in five or ten years

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why must it take so long we're going to

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have to answer that question in a moment

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[Applause]

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but why should take so long don ecker

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we've got the technology well you're

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asking me for my speculation and i can

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02:29:20,389 --> 02:29:16,960
you know it's kind of like the moon

3574
02:29:24,150 --> 02:29:20,399
thing now if you go back and re-read

3575
02:29:26,469 --> 02:29:24,160
phil corso and the day after roswell

3576
02:29:29,110 --> 02:29:26,479
okay that he co-wrote with uh with bill

3577
02:29:31,349 --> 02:29:29,120
burns regardless of how you feel about

3578
02:29:33,190 --> 02:29:31,359
that book regardless of whether you

3579
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:33,200
think it was crap there was some good

3580
02:29:37,750 --> 02:29:35,520
stuff in there burns made a pot boiler

3581
02:29:39,510 --> 02:29:37,760
out of it whatever okay

3582
02:29:41,590 --> 02:29:39,520
the bottom line is

3583
02:29:43,429 --> 02:29:41,600
corso talked about something called

3584
02:29:49,510 --> 02:29:43,439
project horizon

3585
02:29:52,389 --> 02:29:49,520
military plan to get up there to the

3586
02:29:54,630 --> 02:29:52,399
moon in the early 60s

3587
02:29:57,670 --> 02:29:54,640
that then was taken away from the

3588
02:29:59,990 --> 02:29:57,680
military because nasa was created by

3589
02:30:03,750 --> 02:30:00,000
president eisenhower could they have

3590
02:30:07,590 --> 02:30:03,760
gotten up there let's say by 1960 one or

3591
02:30:09,030 --> 02:30:07,600
two or three i have no idea but i have a

3592
02:30:12,469 --> 02:30:09,040
suspicion

3593
02:30:14,870 --> 02:30:12,479
that had they wanted to get there they

3594
02:30:15,990 --> 02:30:14,880
had a need to get there they had a

3595
02:30:18,150 --> 02:30:16,000
pressing

3596
02:30:20,550 --> 02:30:18,160
problem to get there they would have

3597
02:30:23,110 --> 02:30:20,560
given it the old college try gene and i

3598
02:30:26,469 --> 02:30:23,120
think the same thing about mars

3599
02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:26,479
so it all depends upon motivation what

3600
02:30:31,670 --> 02:30:28,240
is your motivation

3601
02:30:32,469 --> 02:30:31,680
if we don't have any pressing motivation

3602
02:30:37,990 --> 02:30:32,479
yeah

3603
02:30:41,590 --> 02:30:38,000
it may take until 2030 2035 even 2040

3604
02:30:44,230 --> 02:30:41,600
but if we have a pressing motivation and

3605
02:30:45,750 --> 02:30:44,240
god only knows what that might be i i

3606
02:30:47,670 --> 02:30:45,760
think we could get there quite a bit

3607
02:30:49,190 --> 02:30:47,680
before then well once again the

3608
02:30:51,510 --> 02:30:49,200
government doesn't want to allocate the

3609
02:30:54,389 --> 02:30:51,520
money and you can blame any political

3610
02:30:57,830 --> 02:30:54,399
party you want but let's face it since

3611
02:30:59,910 --> 02:30:57,840
the 1970s the space program activity has

3612
02:31:01,750 --> 02:30:59,920
gone unless of course there is a secret

3613
02:31:03,910 --> 02:31:01,760
space program where they've already done

3614
02:31:07,190 --> 02:31:03,920
that yeah but remember what i said

3615
02:31:10,070 --> 02:31:07,200
having a pressing motivation a public

3616
02:31:10,950 --> 02:31:10,080
motivation that could be god anything

3617
02:31:14,070 --> 02:31:10,960
from

3618
02:31:15,110 --> 02:31:14,080
an environmental disaster here on earth

3619
02:31:17,670 --> 02:31:15,120
to

3620
02:31:19,750 --> 02:31:17,680
an alien presence in the solar system

3621
02:31:22,550 --> 02:31:19,760
they couldn't deny

3622
02:31:24,870 --> 02:31:22,560
it could be anything but if they wanted

3623
02:31:26,150 --> 02:31:24,880
to get there i have no doubt they'd find

3624
02:31:28,150 --> 02:31:26,160
a way to do it

3625
02:31:30,710 --> 02:31:28,160
but the other question is if we were to

3626
02:31:32,150 --> 02:31:30,720
do it would we do it in secret

3627
02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:32,160
or would we

3628
02:31:37,910 --> 02:31:35,840
make it a public matter well once again

3629
02:31:41,030 --> 02:31:37,920
you're you're asking one of those

3630
02:31:43,830 --> 02:31:41,040
imponderables it would depend upon why

3631
02:31:45,190 --> 02:31:43,840
they wanted to go there what if for

3632
02:31:48,870 --> 02:31:45,200
example

3633
02:31:52,230 --> 02:31:48,880
sitchin was correct that a previously

3634
02:31:53,670 --> 02:31:52,240
operating space base that went dark

3635
02:31:55,429 --> 02:31:53,680
who knows when

3636
02:31:59,190 --> 02:31:55,439
was reactivated

3637
02:32:02,870 --> 02:31:59,200
and it had security implications for

3638
02:32:05,349 --> 02:32:02,880
planet earth well okay now sure this is

3639
02:32:07,830 --> 02:32:05,359
speculation this is uh

3640
02:32:08,950 --> 02:32:07,840
just basically wool gathering in the

3641
02:32:10,870 --> 02:32:08,960
brain

3642
02:32:12,950 --> 02:32:10,880
but who's to say

3643
02:32:15,030 --> 02:32:12,960
and if they had to get there

3644
02:32:18,389 --> 02:32:15,040
they'd get there would they talk about

3645
02:32:20,950 --> 02:32:18,399
it well in a case like that probably not

3646
02:32:23,830 --> 02:32:20,960
but uh you know it's like anything else

3647
02:32:26,790 --> 02:32:23,840
that sooner or later things would start

3648
02:32:29,030 --> 02:32:26,800
dribbling out in drips and drabs and it

3649
02:32:31,270 --> 02:32:29,040
would be hard to say well that of course

3650
02:32:33,670 --> 02:32:31,280
goes back to the revelation about

3651
02:32:35,830 --> 02:32:33,680
flowing water on mars it's trickling

3652
02:32:38,469 --> 02:32:35,840
down there may be other stuff do you

3653
02:32:40,710 --> 02:32:38,479
think they're holding back the real

3654
02:32:43,270 --> 02:32:40,720
fact or some kind of real fact that's

3655
02:32:45,910 --> 02:32:43,280
way far and above just some water some

3656
02:32:47,910 --> 02:32:45,920
salty water we can't handle the truth

3657
02:32:51,030 --> 02:32:47,920
well when it comes to secrecy when it

3658
02:32:53,110 --> 02:32:51,040
comes to secrecy we never know what the

3659
02:32:56,950 --> 02:32:53,120
truth is you know i hearken back to the

3660
02:33:00,070 --> 02:32:56,960
x-files now the x-files was with agent

3661
02:33:02,950 --> 02:33:00,080
mulder and scully okay was was some real

3662
02:33:06,389 --> 02:33:02,960
pop boiler entertainment it was

3663
02:33:09,349 --> 02:33:06,399
vastly loved by the american public

3664
02:33:11,670 --> 02:33:09,359
because they were talking about things

3665
02:33:14,630 --> 02:33:11,680
in that television show

3666
02:33:15,590 --> 02:33:14,640
that were actually happening in real

3667
02:33:22,309 --> 02:33:15,600
life

3668
02:33:25,590 --> 02:33:22,319
government lying there is government

3669
02:33:28,790 --> 02:33:25,600
deception everybody knows it the problem

3670
02:33:31,910 --> 02:33:28,800
is they just don't know what all the

3671
02:33:34,230 --> 02:33:31,920
time they're being lied to about that's

3672
02:33:37,429 --> 02:33:34,240
why my god they're bringing the x-files

3673
02:33:40,150 --> 02:33:37,439
back in january of 2016

3674
02:33:42,309 --> 02:33:40,160
for a limited run they they know that

3675
02:33:43,349 --> 02:33:42,319
they kind of captured some lightning in

3676
02:33:47,110 --> 02:33:43,359
a bottle

3677
02:33:49,510 --> 02:33:47,120
but that's that spills over and filters

3678
02:33:53,030 --> 02:33:49,520
into real life

3679
02:33:54,630 --> 02:33:53,040
and ergo there you go so you know who

3680
02:33:56,389 --> 02:33:54,640
knows

3681
02:33:59,190 --> 02:33:56,399
so let's look in the final couple of

3682
02:34:01,110 --> 02:33:59,200
minutes here about your plans is it just

3683
02:34:03,030 --> 02:34:01,120
doing the radio show or do you have any

3684
02:34:06,650 --> 02:34:03,040
other things you want to try to do try

3685
02:34:07,050 --> 02:34:06,660
to accomplish in this life

3686
02:34:09,349 --> 02:34:07,060
[Music]

3687
02:34:11,990 --> 02:34:09,359
[Laughter]

3688
02:34:15,110 --> 02:34:12,000
well then yeah probably unless you know

3689
02:34:16,790 --> 02:34:15,120
an asteroid were to fall on me tomorrow

3690
02:34:19,910 --> 02:34:16,800
but well that would certainly end all

3691
02:34:21,030 --> 02:34:19,920
the problems with yes it would

3692
02:34:24,150 --> 02:34:21,040
it would

3693
02:34:27,190 --> 02:34:24,160
but uh yeah there are things uh that

3694
02:34:30,870 --> 02:34:27,200
that i i want to do and that as a matter

3695
02:34:33,670 --> 02:34:30,880
of fact i i am doing right now uh you

3696
02:34:35,110 --> 02:34:33,680
know this time of year as we do this

3697
02:34:37,590 --> 02:34:35,120
show

3698
02:34:38,950 --> 02:34:37,600
starting in september up through the end

3699
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:38,960
of the year

3700
02:34:46,150 --> 02:34:42,080
every year and it has been going on for

3701
02:34:48,950 --> 02:34:46,160
a long time i love to do fiction writing

3702
02:34:51,510 --> 02:34:48,960
and my my secret

3703
02:34:52,790 --> 02:34:51,520
little niche here in the house where i

3704
02:34:53,750 --> 02:34:52,800
love to write

3705
02:34:55,670 --> 02:34:53,760
okay

3706
02:34:57,190 --> 02:34:55,680
uh invariably

3707
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:57,200
i like to

3708
02:35:00,870 --> 02:34:59,439
delve into horror

3709
02:35:03,030 --> 02:35:00,880
and

3710
02:35:07,030 --> 02:35:03,040
you know for whatever reason god only

3711
02:35:08,950 --> 02:35:07,040
knows but i just love doing doing horror

3712
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:08,960
writing and

3713
02:35:13,349 --> 02:35:11,520
i've been been working off and on on

3714
02:35:15,190 --> 02:35:13,359
several stories

3715
02:35:16,389 --> 02:35:15,200
that

3716
02:35:18,870 --> 02:35:16,399
you know

3717
02:35:20,389 --> 02:35:18,880
who knows someday may make it into print

3718
02:35:22,710 --> 02:35:20,399
or not

3719
02:35:24,550 --> 02:35:22,720
but you know that's that's what i really

3720
02:35:27,510 --> 02:35:24,560
enjoy doing gene

3721
02:35:30,230 --> 02:35:27,520
do you expect any revelations about ufos

3722
02:35:32,309 --> 02:35:30,240
of any significance or just we keep on

3723
02:35:34,710 --> 02:35:32,319
keeping on

3724
02:35:37,190 --> 02:35:34,720
well going back to my

3725
02:35:38,670 --> 02:35:37,200
foray into the field all those many

3726
02:35:41,830 --> 02:35:38,680
years ago

3727
02:35:44,550 --> 02:35:41,840
everybody was talking about hey

3728
02:35:46,150 --> 02:35:44,560
in the next three to five years one of

3729
02:35:49,190 --> 02:35:46,160
the most infamous

3730
02:35:50,150 --> 02:35:49,200
papers in ufo research in the last 30

3731
02:35:52,870 --> 02:35:50,160
years

3732
02:35:54,870 --> 02:35:52,880
although not so much today but

3733
02:35:58,309 --> 02:35:54,880
especially then

3734
02:36:01,990 --> 02:35:58,319
was john lear's hypothesis

3735
02:36:06,150 --> 02:36:02,000
if we if you remember that pot boiler he

3736
02:36:08,790 --> 02:36:06,160
put together okay that came out in 87

3737
02:36:11,270 --> 02:36:08,800
and he was talking about the secret

3738
02:36:13,910 --> 02:36:11,280
alien presence on planet earth and

3739
02:36:16,950 --> 02:36:13,920
secret treaties made with the government

3740
02:36:20,950 --> 02:36:16,960
and people being abducted and having

3741
02:36:26,710 --> 02:36:20,960
implants put into them and he infamously

3742
02:36:28,790 --> 02:36:26,720
reported and in three to five years

3743
02:36:31,910 --> 02:36:28,800
the aliens are going to switch those

3744
02:36:33,349 --> 02:36:31,920
implants on well guess what it's 30

3745
02:36:38,230 --> 02:36:33,359
years later

3746
02:36:41,270 --> 02:36:38,240
and nothing to speak of so you know i i

3747
02:36:43,349 --> 02:36:41,280
i just am very cynical about those

3748
02:36:45,830 --> 02:36:43,359
projections

3749
02:36:47,110 --> 02:36:45,840
that is always true we always hear these

3750
02:36:48,950 --> 02:36:47,120
predictions though this is going to

3751
02:36:51,750 --> 02:36:48,960
happen in the ufo field it's going to be

3752
02:36:53,910 --> 02:36:51,760
next year or after kehoe was talking

3753
02:36:55,110 --> 02:36:53,920
about that back in the 1950s in his

3754
02:36:56,389 --> 02:36:55,120
early books

3755
02:36:57,590 --> 02:36:56,399
it's going to come it's going to be

3756
02:36:59,990 --> 02:36:57,600
inevitable

3757
02:37:01,590 --> 02:37:00,000
and never was don ecker please tell our

3758
02:37:02,950 --> 02:37:01,600
listeners where they can find more of

3759
02:37:06,150 --> 02:37:02,960
the things you do

3760
02:37:08,710 --> 02:37:06,160
well the name of my show is dark matters

3761
02:37:11,510 --> 02:37:08,720
radio i have a

3762
02:37:12,790 --> 02:37:11,520
presence on facebook of course who

3763
02:37:13,670 --> 02:37:12,800
doesn't

3764
02:37:16,150 --> 02:37:13,680
uh

3765
02:37:18,150 --> 02:37:16,160
don ecker and dark matters radio on

3766
02:37:21,270 --> 02:37:18,160
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3767
02:37:24,389 --> 02:37:21,280
the donecker fan club i am there

3768
02:37:27,910 --> 02:37:24,399
also dark matters radio airs on the

3769
02:37:32,309 --> 02:37:27,920
cyber station usa network real simple to

3770
02:37:38,469 --> 02:37:36,630
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3771
02:37:41,030 --> 02:37:38,479
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3772
02:37:44,070 --> 02:37:41,040
that's 1am eastern

3773
02:37:47,110 --> 02:37:44,080
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3774
02:37:50,469 --> 02:37:47,120
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3775
02:37:52,950 --> 02:37:50,479
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3776
02:37:55,429 --> 02:37:52,960
of the subject i like talk radio that's

3777
02:37:57,830 --> 02:37:55,439
what i do which keeps me

3778
02:37:58,950 --> 02:37:57,840
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3779
02:38:00,870 --> 02:37:58,960
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3780
02:38:02,710 --> 02:38:00,880
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3798
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3799
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3800
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3801
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3802
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